# auotx 08 **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [October 23, 2008, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/auotx-08/119379 "2008-10-23T07:24:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 24
**Author:** ![rogerthat240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@rogerthat240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rogerthat240)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/auotx-08/119379/24 "2008-10-24T12:55:46Z")
> [@Wow I suck at math...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-i-suck-at-math/18774/30): > > Good to see some autox sil8t, looks like you had a lot of fun. I’ll keep you in mind for next season since I’ve been wanting to give autox a try. Not sure if you have sways but you might want to consider up sizing a bit from stock if you haven’t already. > > Can you please explain to us all how there is not enough sway or spring rate. I’m pretty sure with 12/10kg Megan tracks, there’s more than enough spring rate, rebound settings on the other hand might not be matched. I find your statements kinda contradictory since you say that there’s not enough travel, yet you encourage to up the spring rate since there’s not enough. Could it be possible that his front end settings are too stiff, preventing adequate wheel travel, and this could be causing his understeer issues? > > Also, raising the car would really do nothing but correct his geometry (and possibly slightly change the shape of his rebound curve - depending on where the piston’s current range of motion lies), or he could keep it slammed and just reset his control arms with extended bj’s. If you’re going to get all technical, at least explain yourself more thoroughly, not some bullshit like “i think bumping the car up a little would help in grip overall anyways its way too lowered, the suspension doesn’t get to do its job” - thanks Ahmed, I now know that I have to make my suspension ‘do its job’ by raising the car height…not. > > With understeer there’s also contribution from his steering column. On my car I’m currently noticing a high amount of flex from the column bushing (soooo shot right now, replacing with aluminum next year) so when I add steering input, due to the flex, this gives a springy feeling to your steering input (ie. it might take maybe 1/16 of a turn to actually start moving the wheels). Once the wheels start to move, all of the preload built up from the column flex outputs to the wheels all at once, giving you something far from a linear input -\> output. This is for manual steering btw. In Sil8t’s case, I’m sure his tie-rod geometry’s a bit off at his current height but meh…shouldn’t be that much of a factor compared to the LCA angles and undersized sway (if that’s the case). > > And were you saying 285/30/18’s on the s14 just because you wish you could run those with your MONSTROUS taurus brakes? Check again buddy, I think you’re just dreaming…oh wait, you always are. > > I’ll give you credit though, your ‘friends’ setup is pretty nice. 😃 > > Have a good one. > > PS: C’mon Mark, you’re losing your touch… Simply saying ‘gay’ isn’t up to your usual standards man. How come no love for autox? I wasn’t contradicting myself I was just brainstorming some possibilities, he didn’t say what setup he had. If he has 12/10 setup, then by all means he needs some fatter and grippier rubber eg; r comps cause thats pretty much useless otherwise unless he wants to slide around while overloading the poor lil tires. One could only guess at the typical issues with an s13, without knowing what he has. Secondly s13s have shitty front travel, too much anti-squat in the rear, usually a combination of tricks are used to make it all work. Being lowered is not exactly going to help the front have more travel and prevent further understeer, nor will a shittyly oversprung rear help with an already too much antisquar rear end help with preventing oversteer. A stock s13 understeers just as shittily as this supposingly mighty mega megan super acurate track coilover’s 12kg/mm spring rate that he has it seems, so maybe there’s something else going on. I don’t know, obviously I asked what’s his setup. Sorry for even bothering to give any interest, it’s obviously a big fail to bother on son240. You’ll just get shat on for even speaking. Too much diahera and dick swinging. Well whatever 🙂 Typicall son240 stuff. Just asshole to asshole ‘communication’ nothing really productive. Fuck man, I didn’t bother to comment afterwards. Indeed this thread has been turned into gay and its not because of sil8at being a ‘poser’. At least he tried something without calling it gay and he enjoyed it. And by the way im dreaming with my automatic taurus 240, fucken retard. And my tires are bigger than your dick that’s for sure. Also that s14, if they are 245 tires they look beefy as they are stretched whoopie do, regardless larger than the typical 240 owner with 215s who cares, go pick on that? Yay for loserness. And i’ll run 285s only when i need them. None can have a genuine good thread on son240 without some asshole comments to pop up. What’s the point of trying. In the end it’ll be just the big mouth people left to stab each other and bicker with each other when bored. I commend sil8t for trying something different regardless of how the car performed. It’s safe, legal, fun, you learn alot from it, you enjoy doing it and making your car better. No street racing or ricer non-sense… all good fun. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/auotx-08/119379)._