# Australia has Z06 powered Sedans **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 29, 2008, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200 "2008-02-29T09:37:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![turbo\_ls1\_ss](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_ls1_ss/32/7303_2.png) [@turbo\_ls1\_ss](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbo_ls1_ss)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/21 "2008-02-29T12:15:49Z")
may 1986 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/22 "2008-02-29T12:21:31Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > 2008 Carger SXT - V6, 250 CHP, 17 / 24 mpg… Curb Weight 3783. :eek: > > Yet, the 2008 Acura TSX - I4, 205 CHP, 19/28 mpg… curb weight 3257. You could almost fit a TSX in the trunk of a Charger. But looking at that TSX, it’s a great example. It’s not really “fast” by any stretch of the imagination. It’s pretty small as well, and relatively lightweight for a modern car. It still doesn’t meet the new EPA mileage requirements. You can’t make it much smaller and still be a reasonable family sedan, most of the weight is in safety, so your only option is less power. Or, as Lutz said, the other option is lots of money added on to the price to add a fancy hybrid drive system. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/23 "2008-02-29T12:26:25Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > You could almost fit a TSX in the trunk of a Charger. They are comparable as far as safety, storage space, price points, etc… so why is it 500lbs lighter? I’m not suggesting that all MPG gains will be had by reducing weight, but its a great starting point. Family DD sedans do not _need_ 14" brakes anymore then Dodge pickups _need_ 20" wheels OEM. I understand these are selling points for consumers, which is where the majority of this problem starts. > But looking at that TSX, it’s a great example. It’s not really “fast” by any stretch of the imagination. It’s pretty small as well, and relatively lightweight for a modern car. It still doesn’t meet the new EPA mileage requirements. You can’t make it much smaller and still be a reasonable family sedan, most of the weight is in safety, so your only option is less power. Or, as Lutz said, the other option is lots of money added on to the price to add a fancy hybrid drive system. > true. but this is where the fleet average steps in… How many Fits & base Civics will Honda sell to offset the “failing” TSX…? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/24 "2008-02-29T12:40:05Z")
TSX, 91 CU/FT interior volume Charger, 104 CU/FT interior volume 13 CU/FT means they aren’t the same class. One small, one large. But _anyway_… The fleet average will be killed by the fact that now trucks and cars will be held to the same 35mpg standard. You make get the wannbe’s out of the their pickups and SUV’s, but there are still a lot of real workers who will be buying them. Not to mention that even the current Civic doesn’t even get 35, so I doubt it will be getting a whole lot over 35 to pull up the average. A pretty unbiased look at it from a magazine that clearly has the technical background to understand what’s really involved: [http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive\_news/4218266.html](http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4218266.html) ---
**Author:** ![jballz86](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/53a042/32.png) [@jballz86](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jballz86)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/25 "2008-02-29T12:51:31Z")
> [@turbo ls1 ss](#): > > may 1986 word. im the 13th, u? ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/26 "2008-02-29T12:55:05Z")
I need to renew my PopMech… only have PopSci currently. Your numbers are wrong: [http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Specifications.aspx?SelectedTabIndex=0&ManufacturerId=2&YearId=2008&VehicleClass=NewCar&Path=Pricing&VehicleId=196436&ModelId=6](http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Specifications.aspx?SelectedTabIndex=0&ManufacturerId=2&YearId=2008&VehicleClass=NewCar&Path=Pricing&VehicleId=196436&ModelId=6) EPA Total Interior 104.2 cu.ft. vs. [http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Specifications.aspx?VehicleId=196565&ManufacturerId=13&VehicleClass=NewCar&ModelId=76&SelectedTabIndex=1&YearId=2008](http://www.kbb.com/KBB/NewCars/Specifications.aspx?VehicleId=196565&ManufacturerId=13&VehicleClass=NewCar&ModelId=76&SelectedTabIndex=1&YearId=2008) EPA Total Interior 120.2 cu.ft. You do realize that a space 2’ x 2’ x 2’ is a whopping 16 cu ft… thats 2 or 3 bags of groceries… not a couple of suitcases. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/27 "2008-02-29T13:10:14Z")
Adding a 2x2x2 cube to the INTERIOR of a car actually makes it quite a bit bigger. As long as we’re comparing apples an oranges, at leave give both of them automatics. The auto TSX goes 3345. Face it man, the Charger is just a bigger car. Go look at the interior/exterior dimensions at [acura.com](http://acura.com) and [dodge.com](http://dodge.com). The dodge is bigger in almost every single one. And BTW, right from [Acura.com](http://Acura.com) and [Dodge.com](http://Dodge.com)… Dodge Passenger Interior Volume [ft3] 104.0 cu ft Acura EPA Passenger Volume 90.9. cu ft And yes, you need to renew popular mechanics. One of the few unbiased mags that actually reports on the environmental/political stories. I even got the link for you. Two years for $18: [https://subscribe.hearstmags.com/subscribe/splits/popularmechanics/pop\_site\_topnav](https://subscribe.hearstmags.com/subscribe/splits/popularmechanics/pop_site_topnav) ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/28 "2008-02-29T13:14:13Z")
lol, sorry. those were the first two I could think of. I’ll come back later with a pair in the same range 😛 Sorry :redface: ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/29 "2008-02-29T13:17:03Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > lol, sorry. those were the first two I could think of. > > I’ll come back later with a pair in the same range 😛 > > Sorry :redface: I’ll give you a hint. When you’re looking for your pig example, check out the specs on the size/weight of the GTO. I’m still expecting to find some big lead bricks somewhere in this car. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/30 "2008-02-29T13:18:06Z")
I didn’t want to strike so close to home. meh. But yes, I drove one last summer, WTF man?? ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/31 "2008-02-29T14:40:57Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’ll give you a hint. When you’re looking for your pig example, check out the specs on the size/weight of the GTO. I’m still expecting to find some big lead bricks somewhere in this car. But that’s because it wasn’t designed as a LHD vehicle with US specs in mind from the get-go (like the current Commodore) - otherwise, why put the gas tank in the trunk with a 20-pound cage around it? And besides - everyone’s forgetting that the 35-mpg standard is just for now. Most pundits are predicting that California (and 15 other states) will win the 40-44 mpg standard by 2020 in the courts vs. the EPA. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/32 "2008-02-29T18:51:49Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > I’ll give you a hint. When you’re looking for your pig example, check out the specs on the size/weight of the GTO. I’m still expecting to find some big lead bricks somewhere in this car. Look behind your wheels or God forbid your rear break rotors. There’s a few right there. But I totally love this car. Me want me want!!!@ ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/33 "2008-02-29T18:56:09Z")
man made gas crunch YAYYYYYYYYYY / ---
**Author:** ![misteroman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/misteroman/32/7423_2.png) [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200/34 "2008-02-29T19:51:52Z")
> [@ubengineering](#): > > 190rwhp corvettes again, great > > who in the right mind would even buy one of those anyways? > > i saw a guy at the dunntire on union during the summer tryin to sell his for like 35k Ahem,That’s 190 Crank HP not RW.prob like 150 or so rear. D [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/australia-has-z06-powered-sedans/44200.md?page=1)