# AutoCross guys.... Brakes! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 3, 2008, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157 "2008-12-03T13:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/1 "2008-12-03T13:14:10Z")
I’m looking to buy a set of HP+ pads, stainless steel brake lines and some better brake fluid. Parts going on a C5, where is the best place to place an order? What fluid is the best to run? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/2 "2008-12-03T13:16:49Z")
Try Innovative for fluid & lines Hawks are generally dirt cheap @ Summit Lines, (assuming for your app) can prolly be found @ summit as well, but you’re best bet tis to check on a C5 specific board. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/3 "2008-12-03T13:17:03Z")
oh… IDK is innovative will ship to Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/4 "2008-12-03T13:17:45Z")
FS: SS brake lines for a C5 🙂 the hawks are nice … no brake fade even at extreme high speed braking. ---
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/5 "2008-12-03T13:20:12Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > oh… IDK is innovative will ship to Texas. they have /run a web biz, so yes, he will ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/6 "2008-12-03T13:22:32Z")
a lot of people feel that HP+ is too much for autocross (i.e. they will not ever get to temp for autocross since the course is too short). More people go with HPS’s, I believe. also make sure you bed them in properly (they come with instructions) ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/7 "2008-12-03T13:26:30Z")
> [@chino](#): > > also make sure you bed them in properly (they come with instructions) :word: it takes a little bit of time but if they do seat nice they are awesome. i used them for more of an aggressive street driving than Auto-X so they worked much better in my application. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/8 "2008-12-03T13:28:03Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > oh… IDK is innovative will ship to Texas. I could also pick them up when I’m in town. > [@Freek](#): > > FS: SS brake lines for a C5 🙂 > the hawks are nice … no brake fade even at extreme high speed braking. If you have some you want to off pm me a price. How old are they etc. I’ll be home from the 19th until the 28th this month. > [@chino](#): > > a lot of people feel that HP+ is too much for autocross (i.e. they will not ever get to temp for autocross since the course is too short). More people go with HPS’s, I believe. > > also make sure you bed them in properly (they come with instructions) I think I’ll be able to heat them up enough! 🙂 Thanks guys ---
**Author:** ![civicjim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/civicjim/32/5297_2.png) [@civicjim](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/civicjim)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/9 "2008-12-03T13:32:34Z")
> [@chino](#): > > a lot of people feel that HP+ is too much for autocross (i.e. they will not ever get to temp for autocross since the course is too short). More people go with HPS’s, I believe. > > also make sure you bed them in properly (they come with instructions) :word: Had the +s on the civ and they were too much. Didn’t like to grab hard when cold. They liked a few good stops to ghet up to temp before they gain their bite, which you won’t get a chance to do on the auto-x course. HPS FTW! :tup: ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/10 "2008-12-03T13:34:42Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > I think I’ll be able to heat them up enough! 🙂 > > Thanks guys i really don’t think you will, at autocross… you’re really not buying the right pad if you get HP+'s. They are more suited for road course. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/11 "2008-12-03T13:35:26Z")
Fluid is overkill for an autocross too. If you’re going to be hitting real tracks go ahead and do it but if just autocrossing/street use I’d stick with stock fluid so you don’t need to change it so often. ATE super blue is great stuff for hard brake use but it attracts moisture more. I’ve never seen a car running stock fluid have brake fluid issues at an autocross. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/12 "2008-12-03T13:41:05Z")
> [@chino](#): > > a lot of people feel that HP+ is too much for autocross (i.e. they will not ever get to temp for autocross since the course is too short). More people go with HPS’s, I believe. Not to mention the noise of DDing them… ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/13 "2008-12-03T13:41:35Z")
Interesting thoughts. The car is only driven in the following conditions: Hard as hell on the street fri/sat/sun. Very high speed highway runs. This summer should net me a 3-5 track days. Possible cross county rallies with my friends between Houston and Buffalo. (Seriously though ~2500 **hard** mile trips) 3-5 of these. My DD is my M3 not the C5!! ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/14 "2008-12-03T13:44:49Z")
lol… so why did you say AutoCross guys? it is a completely different application. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/15 "2008-12-03T13:45:07Z")
SS lines + HPS + ATE Super Blue is a great combo, it’s what I use on the street. I switch to Carbotech’s for trackdays though. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/16 "2008-12-03T13:46:13Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > Interesting thoughts. The car is only driven in the following conditions: > > Hard as hell on the street fri/sat/sun. > > Very high speed highway runs. > > This summer should net me a 3-5 track days. > > Possible cross county rallies with my friends between Houston and Buffalo. (Seriously though ~2500 **hard** mile trips) 3-5 of these. > > My DD is my M3 not the C5!! Well in that case, assuming its not a DD and you have money to burn go with the HP+'s… ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/17 "2008-12-03T13:47:41Z")
IMHO HPS for everything but the 3-5 track days. Swap on the HP+ (or a true track pad) for those. It’s very hard without ending up dead or in jail to overheat a set of HPS just playing around on the street. You just don’t get the quickly repeated ABS threshold stops that really beat up brakes like you do on a track. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot/32/7578_2.png) [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/18 "2008-12-03T13:52:41Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > My DD is my M3 not the C5!! AweSome!!! ---
**Author:** ![Garick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8797f3/32.png) [@Garick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Garick)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/19 "2008-12-03T15:26:36Z")
HP+ sounds like a good option. Fine for street driving and they will hold up alright on track, you are giving up some on both ends though. I can’t say anything bad about the hps because I’ve been on one pair for 85K+ miles right now. Nice bite but they do heat up and fade pretty quick. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/harvey/32/5069_2.png) [@Harvey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Harvey)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157/20 "2008-12-03T15:44:26Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Fluid is overkill for an autocross too. If you’re going to be hitting real tracks go ahead and do it but if just autocrossing/street use I’d stick with stock fluid so you don’t need to change it so often. > > ATE super blue is great stuff for hard brake use but it attracts moisture more. I’ve never seen a car running stock fluid have brake fluid issues at an autocross. I completely agree with the first half. Pretty much any brake setup that’s stock or better will be fine for autocross. I spent almost the whole summer last year testing hawk brake pads and different fluids under pretty extreme track conditions. The HPS pads are weak, especially for a track day. HP+ will be a good track/heavy street pad if you can handle the noise, and don’t plan on running r-compound tires. Do not count on super blue at the track, especially with a compromise pad. I strongly recommend spending the extra money on Motul RBF 600. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/autocross-guys-brakes/59157.md?page=2)