# b20b with type r head
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [February 28, 2008, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157 "2008-02-28T12:46:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@94Blackls](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Blackls)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/21 "2008-02-28T20:35:29Z")
there is so many different routes you can go its basically just preferance especially with hondas, u could build an ls vtec with a pr3 head (type r or b16) or even a p72 head (gsr) \> which i personally wouldnt do, or u could buy a complete swap and if u wanna boost then ur best bet if u also want vtec would be a gsr because they are cheaper then itr’s and u would have to lower the compression anyway if u wanted to run higher psi, but on a stock gsr u could probably be safe running around 9 or 10psi
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### Author:  [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2008, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/22 "2008-02-28T20:43:16Z")
well i bought my first honda, a b16 ef already swapped courtesy of hybrid and i didnt learn shit from it. i did as much research as i could, but it just wasnt the same. i was leaning towards the gsr, but from what i hear, its expensive to go that route, when an ls motor is just as easily turboed.
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### Author:  [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)
#### Post date: [February 28, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/23 "2008-02-28T23:18:32Z")
> [@justa4door](#):
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> jay that is crazy $$ just for fun …he can pick up a ls for 200 and a gsr head for like 300 and the lsvtec kit for 250 and call it a day
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> … now b20 ~ 400 off the head for ~100 …but typr R head ~1500… not worth it…then kit 250 (now if a b20z that you can pick up just boost that for less then it all )
Actually when i did my ls vtec build i got my type r head for 700 it all depends on where you look. But really if your gonna boost a b20 you really should sleeve it. So better off just throwin an ls block in it
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2008, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/24 "2008-02-29T06:08:43Z")
if you really want to make real power with the setup buy it like it is and find a ls bottom end and just boost the shit out of it…here is the thing on the b20vtec that your buying what water pump is on it, what oil pump …did this thing get built right …if you want to boost and the kid has no idea what is in it you may want to start out new and get a ls bottom end get the right vtec pupms put them in get the holes block off and take off the head and put it on you new bottom end that will be able to take the high rpm’s and hold some boost should hold 8lbs all day …
on a side note your getting alot of good info from some good guys that know a lot about out hondas so please take some of this info …
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### Author:  [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/25 "2008-02-29T06:41:12Z")
Personally I think the B20 bottom end is great for a basic street setup. I’ve never lost one I’ve tuned with boost, but I don’t get greedy.
I wouldn’t hesitate if you want around 300 whp or less on that stock b20 with vtec head combo with arp studs and a metal gasket.
I tuned a kid from rochester running a B20/B16 with both parts stock except for gasket and studs. It ran 11’s, made 390 whp, and he ran it for 2 years and sold the engine to someone still running…so I know it’s possible to make more. That particular customer told me to push it and he didn’t care if it blew since he had several other cars. I don’t recommend pushing the stock shortblock that far, but they’re not junk.
If you’re looking to have one sleeved and built up we can do that too.
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### Author:  [@Toda\_Party](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Toda_Party)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/26 "2008-02-29T06:54:24Z")
IMO, if you plan on doing it, fine. If someone else did it, forget about it, it’s not worth the risk.
I don’t know why people just don’t get a gsr block. Sure its a bit more expensive but in the end, it beats having to do the ls/vtec conversion.
Especially if you’re going to boost it, you will not even feel the difference in displacement. If you were doing an N/A build it’d be a different story.
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### Author:  [@BREETIME](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BREETIME)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/27 "2008-02-29T08:22:36Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#):
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> Personally I think the B20 bottom end is great for a basic street setup. I’ve never lost one I’ve tuned with boost, but I don’t get greedy.
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> I wouldn’t hesitate if you want around 300 whp or less on that stock b20 with vtec head combo with arp studs and a metal gasket.
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> I tuned a kid from rochester running a B20/B16 with both parts stock except for gasket and studs. It ran **11’s, made 390 whp** , and he ran it for 2 years and sold the engine to someone still running…so I know it’s possible to make more. That particular customer told me to push it and he didn’t care if it blew since he had several other cars. I don’t recommend pushing the stock shortblock that far, but they’re not junk.
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> If you’re looking to have one sleeved and built up we can do that too.
word!
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### Author:  [@Birdman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Birdman)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2008, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/28 "2008-03-01T08:35:17Z")
thx guys for all the info, I appreciate it alot!
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### Author:  [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2008, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/29 "2008-03-01T10:26:23Z")
> [@Inn-Tune](#):
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> snip
i want to punch noobs when they say “you have to sleeve a B20 because they are weak”
people need to stop regurgitating the bs they read on honda-tech
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### Author:  [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2008, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/30 "2008-03-01T10:43:44Z")
lol, honda newbssssss. I over bored my b20 to 84.5mm and revved it out to 10g on a daily basis on stock sleeves with 12.5:1 compression and made great power on mikes dyno. proper tuning is key as usual.
also id find out if its a b20b or z different pistons hight will limit what head/cam combo you can run with the stock valve reliefs in the pistons.
my b20 block was even lost in british columbia, dropped numerous times by ups and returned 1month late afte being lost missing all the main caps. The motor still managed to be the best runnin i have ever built.🙂
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### Author:  [@lsvtechatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lsvtechatch)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/31 "2008-03-14T09:56:37Z")
no mindless is right the gsr flows better, I believe it has a lower compression ratio than the b16 too.
EDIT : I was correct, the CR in a b16 is 10.4/1 while the GSR is 10.1/1. The deck height is like
.020 compared to .030 in the GSR.
> [@JDMSIR](#):
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> I swore it was the other way around. Anyway, how much was it being sold for?
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### Author:  [@Johnnyv412](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnyv412)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/32 "2008-03-14T10:05:00Z")
If I remeber correctly this setup kinda sucks unless the block is built and sleeved. Just the same as everyone else is saying, the sleeves are weak and cant handle the boost and on top of that the stroke of the motor is very long and cant handle the revs the type r head can give out. Youd be much better doing ls-vtec, or just buying an actual swap instead of the “frankenstein” setup
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### Author:  [@Johnnyv412](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnyv412)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/33 "2008-03-14T10:07:01Z")
> [@turbociv](#):
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> lol, honda newbssssss. I over bored my b20 to 84.5mm and revved it out to 10g on a daily basis on stock sleeves with 12.5:1 compression and made great power on mikes dyno. proper tuning is key as usual.
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> also id find out if its a b20b or z different pistons hight will limit what head/cam combo you can run with the stock valve reliefs in the pistons.
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> my b20 block was even lost in british columbia, dropped numerous times by ups and returned 1month late afte being lost missing all the main caps. The motor still managed to be the best runnin i have ever built.🙂
didnt see this…10g without sleeves? I always heard that was the main problem with this setup…
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### Author:  [@speedracer329](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedracer329)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/34 "2008-03-14T10:08:19Z")
if you were to keep the motor N/a with a type R head does anyone know the power differences from using a gsr block, ls block, and b20? so youre saying the b20 cant handle 10k rpm? i dono i feel if youre keeping it N/a the b20 will give you the torque you want
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/35 "2008-03-14T10:10:40Z")
first b4 we go on and on about what is better did the OP get the car??
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### Author:  [@lsvtechatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lsvtechatch)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/36 "2008-03-14T10:14:39Z")
People like you need to stop posting things that they don’t know about. If you don’t relevant “facts” then don’t post, its that simple!
> [@Johnnyv412](#):
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> If I remeber correctly this setup kinda sucks unless the block is built and sleeved. Just the same as everyone else is saying, the sleeves are weak and cant handle the boost and on top of that the stroke of the motor is very long and cant handle the revs the type r head can give out. Youd be much better doing ls-vtec, or just buying an actual swap instead of the “frankenstein” setup
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/37 "2008-03-14T10:56:32Z")
> [@speedracer329](#):
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> if you were to keep the motor N/a with a type R head does anyone know the power differences from using a gsr block, ls block, and b20? so youre saying the b20 cant handle 10k rpm? i dono i feel if youre keeping it N/a the b20 will give you the torque you want
I wouldn’t run any block to 10k without proper precautions first. If you were to leave them stock, the itr would be the best choice for that sort of RPM range - but it still not a good idea for longevity.
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### Author:  [@Johnnyv412](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnyv412)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/38 "2008-03-14T11:03:48Z")
> [@lsvtechatch](#):
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> People like you need to stop posting things that they don’t know about. If you don’t relevant “facts” then don’t post, its that simple!
> **[Ok is the B20/vtec goin to give me problems in the future - Honda-Tech -...](https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/ok-b20-vtec-goin-give-me-problems-future-580598/)**
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> Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) - Ok is the B20/vtec goin to give me problems in the future - all i see under diff sites is that ls and b20 vtec engines are shit. They say that reliabilty is its downfall. So what kind of life am i looking at if i...
> **[does anyone have a b20vtec that revs to 8500k-9k rpm? - Honda-Tech - Honda...](https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/does-anyone-have-b20vtec-revs-8500k-9k-rpm-667499/)**
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> All Motor / Naturally Aspirated - does anyone have a b20vtec that revs to 8500k-9k rpm? - i'm seriously thinking about building a b20vtec engine, but would like to have a redline of what's mentioned in the topic. i am going to have a built bottom...
> **[b20vtec rod stroke ratio - Honda-Tech - Honda Forum Discussion](https://honda-tech.com/forums/tech-misc-15/b20vtec-rod-stroke-ratio-399399/)**
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> Tech / Misc - b20vtec rod stroke ratio - ok im kinda new to this b20 vtec stuff, but i want to know when building a b20vtec what makes the rod stroke ratio go all to hell. and if you speed balance the bottom end can you rev it safely to 8200k.thats...
Good thing I made that up. Some FACTS are B20vtec motors (not saying there arent exceptions) Can rev high due to r/s ratios and weak stock sleeves. Just what I put in my previous post. So without building the block with sleeves, maybe even a block guard, apr studs and prolly some strong internals you wont be able to get full potential out of the setup. Type r/Gsr motors make power at peak rps, not crvs dont. Thanks for the imput tho 🙂
_edit I was wrong about the name though, I meant “crvtec”_
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### Author:  [@Johnnyv412](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnyv412)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/39 "2008-03-14T11:08:42Z")
> [@speedracer329](#):
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> if you were to keep the motor N/a with a type R head does anyone know the power differences from using a gsr block, ls block, and b20? so youre saying the b20 cant handle 10k rpm? i dono i feel if youre keeping it N/a the b20 will give you the torque you want
B20 will give you the torque u want, and maybe it can handle 10k redline, but who says it will make power up that high and I can bet eventually sooner than l8er u will run into problems. If you want to rev high go itr gsr. If you want to run any modded setup of b20vtec whether its boosted or NA you will want to build and sleeve bottom end. Youd be better off just buying an itr/gsr swap, it would be cheaper and more reliable.
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### Author:  [@justa4door](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/justa4door)
#### Post date: [March 14, 2008, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/40 "2008-03-14T11:14:04Z")
> [@justa4door](#):
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> first b4 we go on and on about what is better did the OP get the car??
:gotme:
play nice in sand box
this will go 40 pages
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