# b20b with type r head **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 28, 2008, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157 "2008-02-28T12:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/41 "2008-03-14T12:14:27Z")
Torque wins races. No need to rev to 10K if you have torque down low. ---
**Author:** ![Johnnyv412](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johnnyv412/32/5226_2.png) [@Johnnyv412](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnyv412)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/42 "2008-03-14T12:16:26Z")
> [@sureshot007](#): > > Torque wins races. No need to rev to 10K if you have torque down low. :word: ---
**Author:** ![speedracer329](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/speedracer329/32/5058_2.png) [@speedracer329](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedracer329)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/43 "2008-03-14T13:47:47Z")
good points, so it would be better to keep my type R head and try to build a bottom end of a GSR? im looking for at least 11.5 compression ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/44 "2008-03-14T14:28:14Z")
yawn, there is no replacement for displacement. A properly tuned b20V will make more torque and similar power as the rest. last thing id worry about is cracked sleeves. And the same goes for rod/stroke ratio,i wouldnt worry about it unless you want it to last 200,000+ miles like oem honda. But hey, what do i know. pay no attention.lol ---
**Author:** ![speedracer329](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/speedracer329/32/5058_2.png) [@speedracer329](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedracer329)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/45 "2008-03-14T14:35:46Z")
seriously id only be driving the motor for what like 3000miles a yr ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/46 "2008-03-14T17:22:17Z")
> [@turbociv](#): > > yawn, there is no replacement for displacement. A properly tuned b20V will make more torque and similar power as the rest. last thing id worry about is cracked sleeves. And the same goes for rod/stroke ratio,i wouldnt worry about it unless you want it to last 200,000+ miles like oem honda. But hey, what do i know. pay no attention.lol werd, and if i read “B20’s have weak sleeves” one more time, someones getting banned. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/47 "2008-03-14T19:11:03Z")
Audi R10’s usable power band is between 3k and 5k rpms. Torque \> \*. ---
**Author:** ![lsvtechatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@lsvtechatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lsvtechatch)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/48 "2008-03-15T19:13:37Z")
i like it! > [@Zer0DazE](#): > > werd, and if i read “B20’s have weak sleeves” one more time, someones getting banned. ---
**Author:** ![lsvtechatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@lsvtechatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lsvtechatch)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/49 "2008-03-15T19:20:10Z")
> [@Johnnyv412](#): > > [Ok is the B20/vtec goin to give me problems in the future - Honda-Tech - Honda Forum Discussion](http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=580598) > [does anyone have a b20vtec that revs to 8500k-9k rpm? - Honda-Tech - Honda Forum Discussion](http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=667499) > [b20vtec rod stroke ratio - Honda-Tech - Honda Forum Discussion](http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=399399) > Good thing I made that up. Some FACTS are B20vtec motors (not saying there arent exceptions) Can rev high due to r/s ratios and weak stock sleeves. Just what I put in my previous post. So without building the block with sleeves, maybe even a block guard, apr studs and prolly some strong internals you wont be able to get full potential out of the setup. Type r/Gsr motors make power at peak rps, not crvs dont. Thanks for the imput tho 🙂 > > _edit I was wrong about the name though, I meant “crvtec”_ Just because some douche on Honda-tech has an opinion, does not make it factual. And what I was referring to was this “the sleeves are weak and cant handle the boost and on top of that the stroke of the motor is very long and cant handle the revs the type r head can give out.” You fail again. Oh and please tell me the sleeves are weak again, one more time if you would. And learn how to spell. ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/50 "2008-03-15T19:47:38Z")
mine runs fine, b20z with 98 gsr head. ---
**Author:** ![speedracer329](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/speedracer329/32/5058_2.png) [@speedracer329](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/speedracer329)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/51 "2008-03-15T22:09:32Z")
different motors react differently, my 1.8T makes more Tq than Hp, and makes decent tq by 2k rpm. i bought a type R head for my honda track car, i want something “reliable” for enduro driving, ie running the car hard for 100miles at a time or at least hugging redline for at least an hour… anyway i just dont feel comfortable running high boost for prolonged periods of time. esprit had great success with their ek9 CTR/b20z setup on the track, i figure if its built right itl be fine ---
**Author:** ![Johnnyv412](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johnnyv412/32/5226_2.png) [@Johnnyv412](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnyv412)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/52 "2008-03-16T02:21:00Z")
> [@lsvtechatch](#): > > Just because some douche on Honda-tech has an opinion, does not make it factual. And what I was referring to was this > > “the sleeves are weak and cant handle the boost and on top of that the stroke of the motor is very long and cant handle the revs the type r head can give out.” > > You fail again. Oh and please tell me the sleeves are weak again, one more time if you would. And learn how to spell. whatever. ure an idiot, three douche’s saying the same thing. u had great input to this thread also, good thing we have you here to help out fellow nyspeeders. lol. tool, kow what ure talking about b4 u talk shit… /endof drunkn rant post…sorry mods ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/53 "2008-03-16T07:13:13Z")
What I can’t stand is everyone that has never had a b20 or b20vtec has an opinion of them, and knows a guy, that knows a guy, that read on the internet that it blew up from this or that. Mine was stock bottom with stock gsr head. I ran the piss out of it. I would hit redline every time I hit the gas. I would run it at 5k+ rpms routinely for hours. It is just s bullet proof as any other stock honda motor. If you want real power, you’d do a k-swap. ---
**Author:** ![Johnnyv412](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johnnyv412/32/5226_2.png) [@Johnnyv412](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnyv412)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/54 "2008-03-16T08:57:58Z")
> [@sureshot007](#): > > What I can’t stand is everyone that has never had a b20 or b20vtec has an opinion of them, and knows a guy, that knows a guy, that read on the internet that it blew up from this or that. Mine was stock bottom with stock gsr head. I ran the piss out of it. I would hit redline every time I hit the gas. I would run it at 5k+ rpms routinely for hours. It is just s bullet proof as any other stock honda motor. > > If you want real power, you’d do a k-swap. k swap = lots of money… Ive never had crvtec, so I dont know first hand. All I know is from the research Ive done on them. When I hear so many people say “its unreliable” i guess I just believe them. Im not saying that if he does it the motor will blow up, theres exceptions to everything, no motor is exacally alike, one might blow while another can run for 200k. Im just saying whats the point? Why drop reliability for .2 liters? Ive built my fair share of Honda motors and my opinion is sell the head you have and buy a swap. Thats all. ---
**Author:** ![sureshot007](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sureshot007/32/7345_2.png) [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/55 "2008-03-16T14:28:50Z")
> [@Johnnyv412](#): > > k swap = lots of money > > Why drop reliability for .2 liters? K-swaps are getting cheap. We aren’t talking about a budget build, we are talking about a reliable race car. It’s worth the money. First of, it’s a 10% increase in displacement. Second, NA b20 motors are just as reliable as any other. The block won’t like 300hp, but you’ll never get that from NA anyway. Moral of the story is that if you don’t have first hand knowledge, then your opinion is worthless. Stop posting on something you don’t know about. (and that goes out to everyone, not just Johnnyv412). ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/b20b-with-type-r-head/44157/56 "2008-03-16T16:17:39Z")
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