# Before you vote Democrat/Obama... **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136 "2008-10-08T13:10:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/81 "2008-10-09T08:51:25Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Will you be able to sue the government with National Healthcare if you get screwed by them? You mean can you take the government to court? The Answer is YES! ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/82 "2008-10-09T09:01:31Z")
> [@walter](#): > > Time for an off topic rant on why universal healthcare would be a horrid idea. > > - It will lower the quality of healthcare > - Without profit, there will be no incentive to reduce costs > - People will abuse the system (see:welfare) > - Financing a national healthcare program would be incredibly expensive, resulting in LARGE SCALE tax increases across every class > - With healthcare as a “right”, people would have no incentive to reduce costs > - With free healthcare, people won’t have an incentive to live healthy, as they are guaranteed medical service > - Good luck finding a bed when you need one (see:other national health care countries) > > Now I’m not saying the healthcare system is perfect (or good) however a national healthcare program is not the way to solve it. Cost would be reduced through preventative measures. I’d much rather help pay for a guys subscription of lypitor over his triple bypass. Which is how the system is set up now. Our system keeps tens of millions of Americans without health insurence and I have heard nothing from the right that shows they would try to solve that problem. This comes from the very basic difference of opinion that I have and that millions of Americans have which is… Healthcare is a RIGHT not a [SIZE=6]privilege. If the right can come up with a plan that give these people healthcare that does not involve a government universal plan then I’m all for it. I just want them to be covered. [/SIZE] ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/83 "2008-10-09T09:14:35Z")
Helllllo communism. ---
**Author:** ![A.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@A.J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A.J)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/84 "2008-10-09T09:27:28Z")
> [@walter](#): > > Helllllo communism. How can you call it communism to want to have health care not be a privilege to only the rich? Hellloooooo ignorance ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/85 "2008-10-09T09:36:08Z")
I think fruits and vegatables should be a right. I mean how are people supposed to have enough money left to buy healthy food when cigarettes and beer cost so much? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/86 "2008-10-09T09:37:47Z")
> [@A.J.](#): > > How can you call it communism to want to have health care not be a privilege to only the rich? > > Hellloooooo ignorance heath care isn’t a RIGHT, nor has it ever been. The system needs some reform, but the kind obama is proposing is retarded. If it does go through, I cannot wait to see all of you that pushed for it, paying out of the ass in taxes for it, only to buy PRIVATE insurance on top of that because the public system failed I’ll put money on it, if it goes through (which I really doubt it will anyway)… 4 years before major problems start to develop What happens if a homeless man walks into a hospital with a gunshot wound and he doesn’t have health care (today)? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/87 "2008-10-09T09:44:23Z")
I was at children’s and the sign on the wall explained that NO ONE can be turned away. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/88 "2008-10-09T09:45:26Z")
OP = retard. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/89 "2008-10-09T09:51:40Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I was at children’s and the sign on the wall explained that NO ONE can be turned away. except for people without heathcare? /sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![A.J](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@A.J](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/A.J)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/90 "2008-10-09T09:54:43Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I was at children’s and the sign on the wall explained that NO ONE can be turned away. Ya they cannot turn you away but it does not stop them from sending you that $5k bill, and then if you need any prescriptions $$$$$$$$ ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/91 "2008-10-09T10:02:45Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I was at children’s and the sign on the wall explained that NO ONE can be turned away. Thats right they can’t be turned away. But how do they pay for the visit? If they can’t pay then that added cost falls on those who do pay by raising the price on all of us. :banghead: ---
**Author:** ![zwarbyt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zwarbyt/32/7623_2.png) [@zwarbyt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zwarbyt)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/92 "2008-10-09T10:03:03Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I was at children’s and the sign on the wall explained that NO ONE can be turned away. you are right, i can really draw a comparison of a child dying of treatable cancer to giving vegetables to poor people, that makes sense, you have changed my whole view GO MCCAIN ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/93 "2008-10-09T10:07:16Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > What happens if a homeless man walks into a hospital with a gunshot wound and he doesn’t have health care (today)? He gets treated and guess who pays for it…we do. In emergency cases hospitals pick up the bill, but what about a person with cancer or aids a prolonged illness. What about a person that needs a transplant? They don’t get covered by an ER visit. In a country as rich as ours with the best doctors and the best hospitals its insane to allow some people to die, or keep people from getting treated because they know they won’t be able to pay. It should be a right. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/94 "2008-10-09T10:12:22Z")
Not to mention the “treatment” they get is the bare minimum to keep them alive for a bit, not well, and sent on their way with a bunch of bills, and prescriptions for life saving drugs that they know they won’t be able to fill. Sweet life. (Or, after a month or so, lack thereof) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/95 "2008-10-09T10:12:25Z")
ok, so lets say in a perfect world obama gets into office and his heath care plan passes. The Feds can’t seem to manage/fix social security, nor can they manage/fix welfare or unemployment or disability or medicaid… how is this going to be any different? it’s not. As of now, I’ve paid a shit load of money into SS that I’ll never collect on and on top of that, pay money into a 401K so I do have “insurance” for the future. When I broke my arm and was unable to work, disability did JACK SHIT for me even though I’ve paid quite a bit into that too. The same is going to happen with heath care… they’ll be taking a bigger chunk out of our paychecks while the vast majority will probably stay with private care, despite the cost and end up HURTING the middle class worse than they already are edit: just give me a simple breakdown on how they WONT drop the ball on this program too, and I’ll shut up about it. (nobody can though until it happens) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/96 "2008-10-09T10:13:40Z")
^Don’t forget Medicare. The big one. ---
**Author:** ![zwarbyt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zwarbyt/32/7623_2.png) [@zwarbyt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zwarbyt)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/97 "2008-10-09T10:18:23Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > ^Don’t forget Medicare. The big one. i have a solution, re-distribute the wealth in this country, tax the fuck out of them to help “JOE SIX PACK” send his kids to college and make sure they get healthcare ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/98 "2008-10-09T10:21:01Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Not to mention the “treatment” they get is the bare minimum with everyone under the same umbrella, this is going to get better for the very poor, and worse for us who currently have health insurance. You can quote me on that ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/99 "2008-10-09T10:21:49Z")
> [@zwarbyt](#): > > i have a solution, re-distribute the wealth in this country, tax the fuck out of them to help “JOE SIX PACK” send his kids to college and make sure they get healthcare lol ok, so if they tax the shit out of businesses because they’re making more than 250K, who’s going to eat that increase? Either their employees or their customers… a company isn’t going to sit by and let their profit margin drop ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136/100 "2008-10-09T10:31:49Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > lol ok, so if they tax the shit out of businesses because they’re making more than 250K, who’s going to eat that increase? Either their employees or their customers… a company isn’t going to sit by and let their profit margin drop Don’t even try to get him to understand that. Guess who is paying for my higher property taxes?🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/before-you-vote-democrat-obama/56136.md?page=6)