# Biodiesel. YOU NEED TO READ THIS AND GET PISSED OFF. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 26, 2006, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251 "2006-03-26T10:10:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FourGee6Tee3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b5ac83/32.png) [@FourGee6Tee3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FourGee6Tee3)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/21 "2006-03-26T13:39:20Z")
> [@flatblackterror](#): > > Yes this is the truth we need to stop depending in foreign oil it is getting out of control these gas prices are getting higher. > > Btw has anyone seen that Audi is running a biodiesel at the 24hours at Lemans this year audi said that lemans was too easy [http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=109326](http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=109326) Yeah Darkstar IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT YOU CAN JUST … GET THE HELL OUT Cause my hair is turnin White Mynecks always been red My collar still blue UnAmerican my friends is not doing anything about an issue, this country was built on refusal to take what is not ethical for its people so don’t be wavin the Flag at me or anyone else with that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/22 "2006-03-26T13:58:37Z")
> [@unicorn](#): > > This is Pittspeed. Nobody here is trying to save the world. If you feel this strongly, start writing to your senator or maybe the white house. Hell, go and run for a public office. > > Until then feel free to excuse yourself from your computer. Go back to your bed room, smoke your bowl of reefer, and go back to thinking Jon Stewart would make an ideal president. Your “Daily Show” interpretation of public office and policies are growing insanely tiresome. > > kthnxbye The see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil approach can not work. We live in a country where we are allowed to speak our minds. While I do not agree with a political argument for the sake of one on a car board, this has to do with fuel, and could defenately change the way that we, as car enthusiasts, approach our hobby as we get older. Anyone that thinks that keeping more money in our country by re-investing it into an infrastructure that will allow us to be more energy independent is stupid. While I refuse to sit here and verbally fellate Darkstar, he brings up a couple of very valid points, those of which are refuted by intelligent and witty comebacks such as “smoke your bowl of reefer”. So, since I’m a free speaking, intelligent, non-drug user, that doesn’t watch the Daily Show, what is your comeback to me? The fear of change, or the fear of something that may increase the power of our nation thru NON-AGRESSIVE tactics is something that we should all be interested in as AMERICANS. Sitting idly by and hoping that someone else will fix the problem is an outstanding way to show how grateful you are of the freedoms that we possess. ---
**Author:** ![taco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@taco](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/taco)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/23 "2006-03-26T14:27:50Z")
> [@Jeff95TA](#): > > [Choices Article - Biodiesel: An Industry Poised for Growth?](http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2003-3/2003-3-03.htm) > > “Although both federal and state policy outlooks remain favorable, and much optimism exists among agricultural groups, present costs of producing biodiesel exceed petrodiesel by $0.20-0.50/gal.” > > I only looked one place though. You Should have put the rest of the quote. “A recent $12 million factory is located in Ralston, Iowa, and is expected to produce 6 million gallons annually at a production cost of $1.50 per gallon—about $0.20-0.25 per gallon greater than petrodiesel” I don’t know what it currently is on petroleum diesel and I couldn’t find a date on this article but it may have been before oil prices started going crazy. I know diesel is about 2.39 at the pump down the road from me. I understand that the 1.50 is before transportation and profit. but that .20-.50 wasn’t in relation to any specific time so who know what it costs to make diesel today?? Also this may sound Un American but what would the costs be to produce this stuff in less developed countries? ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/24 "2006-03-26T14:32:18Z")
> [@Bravada 442](#): > > The see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil approach can not work. We live in a country where we are allowed to speak our minds. Correct. And allow me to thank you for choosing [Pittspeed.com](http://Pittspeed.com) as a medium to express your global energy concerns. :hsugh: > [@Bravada 442](#): > > Anyone that thinks that keeping more money in our country by re-investing it into an infrastructure that will allow us to be more energy independent is stupid. Wow. Using the word “infrastructure” made you sound totally smart. > [@Bravada 442](#): > > While I refuse to sit here and verbally fellate Darkstar, he brings up a couple of very valid points, those of which are refuted by intelligent and witty comebacks such as “smoke your bowl of reefer”. I’m not refuting the use of alternate Bio-fuels. I think its actually a pretty good idea myself. Ecspecially since its a source of energy we can replenish time and time again. I’m merely suggesting that Darkstain rallying his “cause of the week” in the Off-Topic forum of Pittspeed probably isn’t going to do him much good. And when Senator Darkstar gets up his proverbial [Pittspeed.com](http://Pittspeed.com) soapbox, much like how you are doing, I tend to find it amusing. > [@Bravada 442](#): > > So, since I’m a free speaking, intelligent, non-drug user, that doesn’t watch the Daily Show, what is your comeback to me? You are completely correct. I sure was mistaken. I’m sure as soon as the United States dept of Energy signs up for Pittspeed and makes a n00b introduction post, we can get this bio-diesel thing under way. [/sarcasm] If you feel so strongly about the subject, feel free to visit: [http://www.energy.gov/](http://www.energy.gov/) There is a “contact us” feature that you may find useful. (Or you may feel free to make a bio-diesel “pro vs con” thread in On-topic that I would be happy to stay out of.) Thank You for your concern. Yours truly, One Thousand Three hundred and Twenty. ---
**Author:** ![FourGee6Tee3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b5ac83/32.png) [@FourGee6Tee3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FourGee6Tee3)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/25 "2006-03-26T14:32:40Z")
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety” – Benjamin Franklin All about the Benjamins ---
**Author:** ![81Boo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ac8455/32.png) [@81Boo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/81Boo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/26 "2006-03-26T15:33:23Z")
> [@FourGee6Tee3](#): > > “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety” – Benjamin Franklin > > All about the Benjamins that has to deal with having a monarchy. you give up freedom to remain on the good side of the king. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff95TA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeff95ta/32/5935_2.png) [@Jeff95TA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeff95TA)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/27 "2006-03-26T15:39:43Z")
> [@taco](#): > > You Should have put the rest of the quote. > > “A recent $12 million factory is located in Ralston, Iowa, and is expected to produce 6 million gallons annually at a production cost of $1.50 per gallon—about $0.20-0.25 per gallon greater than petrodiesel” > > I don’t know what it currently is on petroleum diesel and I couldn’t find a date on this article but it may have been before oil prices started going crazy. I know diesel is about 2.39 at the pump down the road from me. I understand that the 1.50 is before transportation and profit. but that .20-.50 wasn’t in relation to any specific time so who know what it costs to make diesel today?? > > Also this may sound Un American but what would the costs be to produce this stuff in less developed countries? I think we’re making the same point. There are so many factors involved that it’s not as simple as “Screw paying other countries for gasoline. We should do this. It’s the solution.” ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/28 "2006-03-26T16:00:17Z")
> [@unicorn](#): > > Correct. And allow me to thank you for choosing [Pittspeed.com](http://Pittspeed.com) as a medium to express your global energy concerns. :hsugh: > > Wow. Using the word “infrastructure” made you sound totally smart. > > I’m not refuting the use of alternate Bio-fuels. I think its actually a pretty good idea myself. Ecspecially since its a source of energy we can replenish time and time again. > > I’m merely suggesting that Darkstain rallying his “cause of the week” in the Off-Topic forum of Pittspeed probably isn’t going to do him much good. > > And when Senator Darkstar gets up his proverbial [Pittspeed.com](http://Pittspeed.com) soapbox, much like how you are doing, I tend to find it amusing. > > You are completely correct. I sure was mistaken. I’m sure as soon as the United States dept of Energy signs up for Pittspeed and makes a n00b introduction post, we can get this bio-diesel thing under way. [/sarcasm] > > If you feel so strongly about the subject, feel free to visit: > > [http://www.energy.gov/](http://www.energy.gov/) > > There is a “contact us” feature that you may find useful. Well, since using the word “infrastructure” is too intelligent for your meager mind, I will type a normal sentence first, followed by a “dumbed down” version so that the less fortunate Pittspeeders (ie 1320) can understand. 1. I’m not expressing my concerns. Your ability to comprehend english is apparently lacking. (You can’t read very well.) 2. It’s a pretty impressive assumption on your part to say that I have not espressed my concerns to the Dep’t of Energy. Actually, I’ve written letters to the DoE on behalf of my company, as well as co-signed a letter from a number of major Pittsburgh manufacturers and distributors regarding fuel efficiency. (I wrote letters to the government 'n shit, and I was like, trying to tell him that I, like, think wasting gas is dumb). 3. Maybe, in an attempt to strike up some intelligent discourse on a matter that is relevant to us as automotive enthusiasts, Darkstar started this thread to see if anyone else had personal knowledge of bio-diesel, how it is made, and other things relating to it? (Darkstar is tryin’ to talk to people bout stuff about burnin’ corn as gas and shit) 4. I’m fairly certain that if Darkstar was actually trying to start a grassroots movement regarding bio-diesel, and not just throwing out an interesting idea or some people to read and discuss, he would have done it somewhere outside of Pittspeed. (Darkstar is just trying to talk about different stuff, not trying to become mayor of allegheny county). Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/29 "2006-03-26T16:05:29Z")
> [@Jeff95TA](#): > > I think we’re making the same point. There are so many factors involved that it’s not as simple as “Screw paying other countries for gasoline. We should do this. It’s the solution.” I agree on that point. There is not one simple solution that is going to just cut our consumpion of foriegn oil in half. Plus, for some reason, I want to say bio-diesel doesn’t work right in big rigs, but I might not be right on that. I can’t remember. The whole economics of it is interesting though. Say, if we start making alot of biodiesel, and even though it is 25-50 cents more expensive, the overall price of oil would come down because of a reduction in demand. So, lets say that it costs $.75 to make diesel and $1 to make biodiesel. Thats fine, because the government would make a tax credit or some other kind of incentive that would allow the price to be more competitive, say, within 5 cents or so. As the prices begin to equal out, that demand curve is going to shift, therefore putting more downward pressure on prices. To make a long story short, an introduction of a good amount of biodiesel in the economy should 1) push down oil prices for the consumer 2) reduce our dependence on foreign oil and 3) help the environment. But once again my knowledge of this bio-diesel situation isn’t very strong. But it is defenately an interesting thought ---
**Author:** ![DC300M01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@DC300M01](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DC300M01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/30 "2006-03-26T16:06:50Z")
[http://www.diyfuel.com/product\_info.php?cPath=22&products\_id=66&osCsid=8463e87de34e24cd5ee092ea5d5247e0](http://www.diyfuel.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=66&osCsid=8463e87de34e24cd5ee092ea5d5247e0) Now you can have your own bio-diesel processor for just $2,295.00 ---
**Author:** ![Bravada\_442](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bravada_442/32/5982_2.png) [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/31 "2006-03-26T16:08:14Z")
> [@taco](#): > > “A recent $12 million factory is located in Ralston, Iowa, and is expected to produce 6 million gallons annually at a production cost of $1.50 per gallon—about $0.20-0.25 per gallon greater than petrodiesel” Okay, so does a $1.25 production cost for petrodiesel include the cost of purchasing the crude oil? Or is that just the cost in manhours, electricity, etc… to turn crude into diesel? ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/32 "2006-03-26T16:33:03Z")
I read the first post and skipped to here. Any argument along these lines can be ended with one acronym: **ANWR** ---
**Author:** ![jinxxycat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@jinxxycat](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jinxxycat)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/33 "2006-03-26T17:13:18Z")
I think that its’ a great idea. Something to be considered for the future, and I think starting with Semi’s and fleets is a pretty good start. [not being funny] Willie Nelson has already started his own company [Biowillie](http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/) **Welcome to Willie Nelson’s Biodiesel–Home of Farm Fresh Biodiesel** Smart man. I hope that he is sucessful in this before his time is up. Giving the American Farmers some hard earned money in this venture is nothing but a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![1320](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1320/32/5949_2.png) [@1320](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1320)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/34 "2006-03-26T17:20:29Z")
> [@Bravada 442](#): > > Well, since using the word “infrastructure” is too intelligent for your meager mind, I will type a normal sentence first, followed by a “dumbed down” version so that the less fortunate Pittspeeders (ie 1320) can understand. Oh, why thank you. And for the duration of our little chat, I’ll try to tone down the sarcasm. Since it appears you couldn’t pick it up if you had a fork lift. > [@Bravada 442](#): > > 1. I’m not expressing my concerns. You’re not? Lets see! con·cern Pronunciation Key (kn-sûrn) v. con·cerned, con·cern·ing, con·cerns 1. Regard for or **interest** in someone or something. > [@Bravada 442](#): > > The whole economics of it is **interesting** though. Say, if we start making alot of biodiesel.blah blah blah > [@Bravada 442](#): > > But once again my knowledge of this bio-diesel situation isn’t very strong. But it is defenately an **interesting** thought > [@Bravada 442](#): > > 1. It’s a pretty impressive assumption on your part to say that I have not espressed my concerns to the Dep’t of Energy. Perhaps it is you that cannot comprehend? Find where I said that you have not “espressed” your concerns to the DoE. BTW- Did you mean expressed? > [@Bravada 442](#): > > Actually, I’ve written letters to the DoE on behalf of my company, as well as co-signed a letter from a number of major Pittsburgh manufacturers and distributors regarding fuel efficiency. (I wrote letters to the government 'n shit, and I was like, trying to tell him that I, like, think wasting gas is dumb). Congrats. I give 2 shits. No really I do. 💤 If you were that concerned with wasting gas, you’d be driving a Toyota Prius and probably wouldn’t be posting on a “gas guzzling” car enthusiast message forum. > [@Bravada 442](#): > > 1. Maybe, in an attempt to strike up some intelligent discourse on a matter that is relevant to us as automotive enthusiasts, Darkstar started this thread to see if anyone else had personal knowledge of bio-diesel, how it is made, and other things relating to it? Again, maybe you’re right and I just can’t read. Probably not. His original post contained the phrase “you need to read this and get pissed off”. Which pretty much seemed to sound like a call to arms to me. He did not ask ANYTHING about the production of Bio-diesel. > [@Bravada 442](#): > > I’m fairly certain that if Darkstar was actually trying to start a grassroots movement regarding bio-diesel, and not just throwing out an interesting idea or some people to read and discuss, he would have done it somewhere outside of Pittspeed. It is an interesting idea. But the way that the information was presented makes it sound like anyone thats NOT running bio-diesel is an un-amercian terrorist state supporter. ---
**Author:** ![bgblockelcamino](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bgblockelcamino/32/5997_2.png) [@bgblockelcamino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bgblockelcamino)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/35 "2006-03-26T18:49:53Z")
biodiesel is interesting concept. BioWillie bought a town in texas so he can have a truckstop that dispenses biodiesel. If i recall the original diesel engines were biodiesel(but correct me if i am wrong) But turned out petro diesel was cheaper to produce. I would honestly like to try a biodiesel conversion. ---
**Author:** ![Sinner6.0L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sinner6.0l/32/6016_2.png) [@Sinner6.0L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sinner6.0L)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/36 "2006-03-26T19:15:01Z")
biodiesel, sounds tasty ---
**Author:** ![Dominator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Dominator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dominator)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/37 "2006-03-26T20:26:53Z")
I saw something on modern marvels saying that if all the farmers in America dedicated their fields to making soy beans for bio diesel the supply would fall just short of the nations demand. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/38 "2006-03-26T21:10:28Z")
> [@Domination](#): > > I saw something on modern marvels saying that if all the farmers in America dedicated their fields to making soy beans for bio diesel the supply would fall just short of the nations demand. yes it would. but we’re not trying to replace gas with biodiesel. We’re just trying to supplement it. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/39 "2006-03-26T21:19:28Z")
I’d like to clarify a few things. I wasnt trying to imply that anyone thats not running biodiesel should be crucified. What you should be mad about is that your elected officials and the media are doing you a disservice by not bringing this provocative (at the least) new technology to the forefront of national discussion. I realize that I have a bit of a (deserved) reputation for pointing out the governments flaws. However, this does not detract from the facts that biodiesel is an extremely beneficial technology that should have the backing of the nation. I also realize as Mr. Kolar so eloquently illustrates that posting about this on Pittspeed is not going to jump start any sort of signifigant social change. However, it does not hurt anyone to bring such social issues to light. I really dont understand the resistance the conversation is meeting. Should we NOT discuss such things solely because the power of one or few people to exert serious change on society is decidedly unlikely? I should hope not. :hs: ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2006, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251/40 "2006-03-26T21:24:02Z")
> [@taco](#): > > You Should have put the rest of the quote. > > “A recent $12 million factory is located in Ralston, Iowa, and is expected to produce 6 million gallons annually at a production cost of $1.50 per gallon—about $0.20-0.25 per gallon greater than petrodiesel” > > I don’t know what it currently is on petroleum diesel and I couldn’t find a date on this article but it may have been before oil prices started going crazy. I know diesel is about 2.39 at the pump down the road from me. I understand that the 1.50 is before transportation and profit. but that .20-.50 wasn’t in relation to any specific time so who know what it costs to make diesel today?? > > Also this may sound Un American but what would the costs be to produce this stuff in less developed countries? Even if biodiesel is a bit more expensive, I’d be willing to pay the miniscule premium knowing that the profits would be going to American farmers rather than Saudi Arabian sheiks. More money in the collective american pocketbook is better for all of us. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/biodiesel-you-need-to-read-this-and-get-pissed-off/181251.md?page=3)