# Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 25, 2007, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570 "2007-01-25T08:08:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/21 "2007-01-25T09:43:35Z")
i know LG released theyre dual format player. I just ordered the HD-DVD for the 360, i cant wait till it gets here!!! ---
**Author:** ![87FOXGT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ecd19e/32.png) [@87FOXGT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/87FOXGT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/22 "2007-01-25T09:44:33Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > You mean dual format players and yes, I think you are correct. No, I actually mean dual format discs. One side is blue ray, the other HD DVD. I cant remember where I read about it but it was some other forum where the nerds were ahving at it and it came up. Didnt even know it was possible. But if it is that would be sweet. Of course it probably wont happen. :bloated: ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/23 "2007-01-25T09:46:03Z")
Are you sure you dont mean dual format as in DVD and HD dvd on one disk, those are already out. i never heard of bluray/hddvd dual format. ---
**Author:** ![87FOXGT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ecd19e/32.png) [@87FOXGT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/87FOXGT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/24 "2007-01-25T09:51:51Z")
> [@BuickGN](#): > > Are you sure you dont mean dual format as in DVD and HD dvd on one disk, those are already out. > > i never heard of bluray/hddvd dual format. Nah Kev I am well aware of some of the combi discs in regular and HD, as well as combi hddvd and blu ray players, this was actually someone talking about bot hhd dvd and blu ray formats being on one disc. let me see if i can find where the hell it was that the guy was talking about it… ---
**Author:** ![BuickGN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/buickgn/32/7200_2.png) [@BuickGN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BuickGN)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/25 "2007-01-25T10:02:36Z")
tthat would be cool if possible, but im not sure how it could be done with the different space limitations for each disk. unless they start out with the bluray and put the smaller hddvd on the other side ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/26 "2007-01-25T10:23:33Z")
> [@BuickGN](#): > > tthat would be cool if possible, but im not sure how it could be done with the different space limitations for each disk. > > unless they start out with the bluray and put the smaller hddvd on the other side That would be cool and it would make sense to buy a Total HD player for anything that didn’t share the disc. ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/27 "2007-01-25T10:26:01Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > You’ve kind of contradicted yourself. You say Sony has the marketing muscle but then that Blu-ray is not familiar. If Sony does a good job of marketing then people will start asking for what they know…Blu-ray. No amount of marketing can overcome general ignorance of technology instantly. Some people still call DVDs/CDs tapes, some people call any network DSL. That said it’s pretty much split it’s hard to guarantee which side will win. ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/28 "2007-01-25T10:32:53Z")
> [@FuzzyFish](#): > > That said it’s pretty much split it’s hard to guarantee which side will win. It’s too early to tell… ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/29 "2007-01-25T11:21:52Z")
The no porn on Blu-Ray was just a rumor. Any price comparisons between players are moot because it’s way to early in the game to talk those numbers. The tech on both sides needs at least another year to mature before we start seeing “normal” prices. 'Cmon, anyone who is into electronics knows that. Post your XBOX 360 hype somewhere else - the system didn’t _include_ an HD-DVD player. Reminds me of Sega CD. > [@RuBiCaNT](#): > > Please post sources for… > > “- Has more backing and support” > “- Has greater marketplace penetration” I’m not going to re-search the internet or DVR MSNBC or CNN and post the vids, but it’s well documented (just search google) that only 3 of the major Hollywood studios back HD-DVD and only 1 of those 3 are exclusive to HD-DVD; the other 2 will make movies on both formats. There are 7 major studios backing Blu-Ray. And not only are there more Blu-Ray players out there in homes (someone brought up the PS3 numbers already) but its also been well documented that sales of Blu-Ray disks have been recently exceeding HD-DVD sales by as much as 20%. In fact, Twentieth Century Fox recently came out with research that shows them expecting Blu-Ray to outsell HD-DVD by a 3.5-to-1 ratio by then end of this quarter. > [@87FOXGT](#): > > Also, arent they supposed to start coming out with dual format discs? They can’t have both formats on one disk because they require different lazer frequencies to read the data, the data is written on the disks at different depths for the different formats, and each format requires a different coating over the surface. If they do come out with more of these dual-format players (and their prices drop - one I know is $1000) this whole argument will go away. But still if I was making a movie or storing data, I think at this point I’d choose to use Blu-Ray. ---
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/30 "2007-01-25T12:04:02Z")
I agree with cobra boy, I remember reading about basically a quad layer disc that is readable by both players due to redundent information stored on the disc at different depths i got that off of [doggdot.us](http://doggdot.us) a while ago, I tried to find it buyt I can’t ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/31 "2007-01-25T12:36:57Z")
Here’s the article about the discs that will work in both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players. [http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20070104060353.html](http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20070104060353.html) ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/32 "2007-01-25T12:49:13Z")
Damn, did some digging. It is out there, but it only holds 50gb on the Blu-Ray side (doesn’t matter for movies, but not great for storage.) ![http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/uploads/superman-thd.jpg](http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/uploads/superman-thd.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/33 "2007-01-25T12:51:51Z")
Total HD :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Ovrwrkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ovrwrkd/32/7586_2.png) [@Ovrwrkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ovrwrkd)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/34 "2007-01-25T13:17:47Z")
Here’s part of an article from Slashdot with slightly more realistic numbers than what Joe posted in the other thread. > [@Slashdot.org](#): > > “A new report says that hybrid players will force an early end to the HD DVD/Blu-ray format wars. Some of the projections seem optimistic: $200 hybrid players by 2009 and several manufacturers cranking them out. But reality will likely be different: ‘standalone units of any format aren’t selling terribly well. Recent research determined that 695,000 consumers owned either a Blu-ray or HD DVD player, but most of those are tied to a console — 400,000 of the 425,000 Blu-ray players sold by the end of 2007 were PlayStation 3s and 150,000 of the 270,000 HD DVD players were Xbox 360 add-ons.’ Most importantly, consumers aren’t early adopters: ‘DVD players needed over a decade to supersede the VCR in the living rooms of the United States and there is little reason to believe that HD DVD and Blu-ray player adoption will outpace that of the DVD.’” note: I imagine that the article meant “by the end of 2006” not 2007. Blu-Ray players are still outselling HD-DVD, mostly because of the PS3. But I agree that it will be quite some time before a clear winner is decided and even longer before either format overtakes DVD as the standard. ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/35 "2007-01-25T13:43:22Z")
> [@Itagaki](#): > > Blu-Ray players are still outselling HD-DVD, mostly because of the PS3. But I agree that it will be quite some time before a clear winner is decided and even longer before either format overtakes DVD as the standard. I agree with that to a certain extent…but we are forgetting one thing, HD TVs. People are buying these things like crazy (me included) and they want to have something that looks pretty on it. Back in the days of VHS and DVD, DVD looked better but there was no additional investment made. Now that people are dropping $1g-$3g on a good TV they may want to get the most out of it. I know that having a HD TV is forcing me to want to become an early adopter of the next technology. Additionally, HD DVD or Blu-Ray are not a huge departure from DVD. When the DVD came out it was trying to move people away from VHS tapes. This new move might be a bit easier to swallow. ---
**Author:** ![Ovrwrkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ovrwrkd/32/7586_2.png) [@Ovrwrkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ovrwrkd)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/36 "2007-01-25T13:49:20Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > I agree with that to a certain extent…but we are forgetting one thing, HD TVs. People are buying these things like crazy (me included) and they want to have something that looks pretty on it. Back in the days of VHS and DVD, DVD looked better but there was no additional investment made. Now that people are dropping $1g-$3g on a good TV they may want to get the most out of it. I know that having a HD TV is forcing me to want to become an early adopter of the next technology. > > Additionally, HD DVD or Blu-Ray are not a huge departure from DVD. When the DVD came out it was trying to move people away from VHS tapes. This new move might be a bit easier to swallow. The move will be easier to an extent, i.e. it won’t take 10 years as it did for DVD. However, you’re still asking people with any size of a DVD collection to go out and re-purchase titles they already have. And with HDTV as well as better marketing in general as opposed to 5 to 10 years ago, things will move quicker. My guess is this ‘war’ will rage on for at least 2 to 4 years before a clear cut winner emerges, if there ever is one. ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/37 "2007-01-25T14:10:48Z")
> [@Itagaki](#): > > The move will be easier to an extent, i.e. it won’t take 10 years as it did for DVD. However, you’re still asking people with any size of a DVD collection to go out and re-purchase titles they already have. And with HDTV as well as better marketing in general as opposed to 5 to 10 years ago, things will move quicker. My guess is this ‘war’ will rage on for at least 2 to 4 years before a clear cut winner emerges, if there ever is one. I can’t imagine buying all my DVDs over again. I have way too many. Are Blu-ray and HD DVD players backwards compatible? ---
**Author:** ![RuBiCaNT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rubicant/32/7622_2.png) [@RuBiCaNT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RuBiCaNT)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/38 "2007-01-25T14:15:37Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > I can’t imagine buying all my DVDs over again. I have way too many. > Are Blu-ray and HD DVD players backwards compatible? The vast majority of them are. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/39 "2007-01-25T14:15:46Z")
> [@JaysGreenLX](#): > > I can’t imagine buying all my DVDs over again. I have way too many. > Are Blu-ray and HD DVD players backwards compatible? good question… I’d hope so ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570/40 "2007-01-25T14:38:02Z")
I thought it was already established that since the porn industry was backing HD-DVD, that Blue-Ray was dead? 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd/23570.md?page=3)