# BMW Wagons...lets talk! Goods/Bads/Yes'/No's etc **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 19, 2011, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226 "2011-12-19T10:47:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/61 "2012-02-27T08:24:27Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > Does anyone else read a post in all caps and just assume that the text has zero merit due to it? Pretty much. Mike, what are your thoughts on the E60 535? I was hoping you would chime in here. Dan ---
**Author:** ![BadnewsMike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/badnewsmike/32/7419_2.png) [@BadnewsMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BadnewsMike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/62 "2012-02-27T08:31:49Z")
what about doing something like an allroad? grab it in stick. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/63 "2012-02-27T08:34:44Z")
why not subaru/nissan? Something against the jap brands? ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/64 "2012-02-27T08:36:54Z")
Allroad crosses my mind sometimes. The wife would prefer stick as well. I think Im put off by having to replace two turbos when the wg flappers fall off the actuator. IDK 2.7T scares me sometimes. Dan ---------- Post added at 11:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:35 AM ---------- > [@boardjnky4](#): > > why not subaru/nissan? Something against the jap brands? Right. I dont dig em, at all. Id rather work on a German car than drive a “reliable”, boring, jap car. Dan ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/65 "2012-02-27T08:38:07Z")
They’re certainly not boring at all, but to each their own. ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/66 "2012-02-27T08:43:41Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > They’re certainly not boring at all, but to each their own. There are exceptions to every rule. But yes, to each their own. Bottom line, I more than likely (95% confidence) wont buy a jap car. Dan ---
**Author:** ![goff](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/goff/32/7494_2.png) [@goff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/goff)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/67 "2012-02-27T08:58:47Z")
I would be weary of owning an N54 equipped vehicle outside of warranty. Not every engine has problems, but I replaced a fair share of turbos, tons of injectors, and tons of high pressure fuel pumps, when I worked for BMW. Granted the pumps have an extended warranty on certain years, as well as injectors on some. I also saw a couple cases of carbon buildup on the valves causing misfires. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/68 "2012-02-27T09:00:16Z")
> [@juicedz4](#): > > There are exceptions to every rule. But yes, to each their own. > > Bottom line, I more than likely (95% confidence) wont buy a jap car. > > Dan Well, if you have an open mind, check out the FX35/45. ---
**Author:** ![BadnewsMike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/badnewsmike/32/7419_2.png) [@BadnewsMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BadnewsMike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/69 "2012-02-27T09:03:04Z")
I don’t know i don’t see that many turbo failures on the 2.7t, my allroad had 225k on oem turbos, my current a6 has 198k oem turbos, justins old a6 had 191k stock turbos (and running a stage2 MTM tune). if you can leave well enough alone the 2.7t is an amazing motor. I would take the concern of the turbo over the failing CCV system, the long runner actuating device failer, and much more i see in the bmw’s ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/70 "2012-02-27T09:14:42Z")
> [@goff](#): > > I would be weary of owning an N54 equipped vehicle outside of warranty. Not every engine has problems, but I replaced a fair share of turbos, tons of injectors, and tons of high pressure fuel pumps, when I worked for BMW. Granted the pumps have an extended warranty on certain years, as well as injectors on some. > > I also saw a couple cases of carbon buildup on the valves causing misfires. Id be looking at something 06 ish, which would be N52. How does that change things? Dan ---------- Post added at 12:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 PM ---------- > [@BadnewsMike](#): > > I don’t know i don’t see that many turbo failures on the 2.7t, my allroad had 225k on oem turbos, my current a6 has 198k oem turbos, justins old a6 had 191k stock turbos (and running a stage2 MTM tune). if you can leave well enough alone the 2.7t is an amazing motor. I would take the concern of the turbo over the failing CCV system, the long runner actuating device failer, and much more i see in the bmw’s Interesting. This would remain stock tuned. Looks like they can be had for a decent price with less than 70k miles… hmm I need to find one locally to look at. (damn that two tone leather is pretty awful) Dan ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/71 "2012-02-27T09:35:59Z")
can always get the allroad with the 4.2 if you’re worried about turbos? ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/72 "2012-02-27T09:46:43Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > can always get the allroad with the 4.2 if you’re worried about turbos? Could. But they seem even harder to find and I think they were only avail auto. ---
**Author:** ![BadnewsMike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/badnewsmike/32/7419_2.png) [@BadnewsMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BadnewsMike)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/73 "2012-02-27T11:21:00Z")
ya 4.2 only auto. and the 2 tone isnt that bad in person looks horrible in pictures though… get a black on black 6 speed… and i will steal it out of your drive in the middle of the night. ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/74 "2012-02-27T11:50:08Z")
Ill never own another black vehicle. If I do get one its going to be silver or grey. Sure its boring, but our silver A4 always looks clean. Dan ---
**Author:** ![Coldaccord](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/coldaccord/32/7272_2.png) [@Coldaccord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Coldaccord)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/75 "2012-02-27T21:55:46Z")
I’ve been driving around this one lately and like it a lot ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/Coldaccord/05%20Allroad/SDC12317.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/Coldaccord/05%20Allroad/SDC12317.jpg) haven’t really had any snow to test out though it’s a 4.2, I think a 2.7t would be my personal preference ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/76 "2012-02-28T04:42:30Z")
You 60s are great cars. However the first model year interior is a complete piece of shit. The 07+ got nicer. The 2010+ are leaps and bounds above. If you get a 35 you need to make sure it has the extra oil cooler or especially if you’re going to do upgrades. Although I cannot remember what years for some reason got the oil cooler dropped. Out of warranty you’re Gonna be doing fuel pumps and waste gate actuators. I have a friend that has an n54 out of warranty and it’s still been mostly trouble-free except for those two issues ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/77 "2012-02-28T04:55:45Z")
Just turned 175k miles…(on stock, original air springs, no less) New injectors, and another 3-4 lbs. of boost coming soon. ---------- Post added at 07:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 AM ---------- > [@MPD47](#): > > Does anyone else read a post in all caps and just assume that the text has zero merit due to it? As soon as I see it, I stop reading and move on ---
**Author:** ![juicedz4](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/juicedz4/32/5051_2.png) [@juicedz4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/juicedz4)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/78 "2012-02-28T05:32:55Z")
Unfortunately a 10+ E60 is going to be way over budget. I think Im leaning more towards the Allroad. According to the specs it has the most rear leg room of any of the options Ive looked at (1-2" more, including the X3 and X5). This was one of our main reasons for looking for something bigger, more passenger room. Im used to working on the VAG platform, have my own vagcom etc. Also it looks like you can pick up a pretty damn nice Allroad for fairly cheap. The only thing other than turbos (which it sounds like most people have damn good luck with on the Allroad) is the air ride. In the 5mins of reasearch I did last night it looks like worst case you can make a set of A6 coilovers bolt in with some minor drilling. This is sort of turning into an Allroad thread, but to Jason - what else is there specifically to look out for with these Allroads? Dan ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/79 "2012-02-28T06:04:51Z")
Blown air suspension from people lifting it without putting it into lift mode ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bmw-wagons-lets-talk-goods-bads-yes-nos-etc/219226/80 "2012-02-28T06:22:54Z")
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