# bolt on ls1 vs bolt on 4.6 stang **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 12, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380 "2007-01-12T21:58:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/41 "2007-03-05T16:48:44Z")
It’s really not worth the effort to argue with someone so universally regarded as being a dumbass. Congratulations, you’ve achieved immunity through worthlessness. ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/42 "2007-03-05T16:59:37Z")
> [@WTF internet?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtf-internet/28479/124): > > i used to sell fords, and we always had used mustangs on the lot. i drove them all the time, they are pretty quick, i even a mach 1, it was nice. if that car put that much on the mustang, i think it had to be a fixed race, or it had a lot more parts then the video said. ya, an 04 mach 1 will shit all over an 04 GT ---
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/43 "2007-03-05T17:06:56Z")
From what I have seen at the track…most GT’s with those mods run low to mid 14’s(steelcity had a 03 GT with full exhaust and gears and his best was 14.0) …and for a LS1 with full exhaust high 12’s. That is a huge difference…to me the SOHC 4.6 doesnt even compare to a LS1. So I don’t think the video was a fix. ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/44 "2007-03-05T17:08:07Z")
The Mach’s were WAY faster than the GTs were…the Mach’s are a decent bit faster than the latest GT as well, regardless of what the magazines say. When it comes down to it, the 99-04 GTs were not a match for the LS1 Fbodies, period. GM scored big performance wise with the LS1 Fbodies. Generally, bolt-ons get the SOHC GTs into the 13s, bolt-ons get the LS1’s into the 12s. I remember the first time at the track I saw a cam+gears+drag radials LS1 SS run…he put down 12.2 with from the factory stock heads, stock manifold, stock bottom end, and no power adder. At the time it blew my mind. ---
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/45 "2007-03-05T17:11:20Z")
> [@AKA Rally 2007 - Salt Lake City to Atlantic City](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/aka-rally-2007-salt-lake-city-to-atlantic-city/28464/18): > > I ran a 13.8 bone stock in my old 2001 GT 5spd > 13.1 in my 2004 Mach 1 bone stock > 12.72 in my 03 Cobra bone stock > > So those are all my mustang times lol > > My buddy who is a helluva driver, got a 13.6 out of his 1998 cobra Those are pretty much the best times people run in those cars…for those times it had to be perfect weather and track prep. I know I heard of some 12.6 stock cobra’s but most are 12.8-13.1…mach 1’s I see a ton are 13.8 or so…but I have seen a few run low 13’s, for the 01 GT most I see stock (I guess you can call them stock since everyone I have seen has flowmaster) run around 14.0-14.5. But is your times are legit I give props that is getting everything out of those cars for the most part. (in pgh) ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/46 "2007-03-05T17:23:54Z")
> [@Hope you're a real good swimmer](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hope-youre-a-real-good-swimmer/28540/6): > > Those are pretty much the best times people run in those cars…for those times it had to be perfect weather and track prep. I know I heard of some 12.6 stock cobra’s but most are 12.8-13.1…mach 1’s I see a ton are 13.8 or so…but I have seen a few run low 13’s, for the 01 GT most I see stock (I guess you can call them stock since everyone I have seen has flowmaster) run around 14.0-14.5. But is your times are legit I give props that is getting everything out of those cars for the most part. (in pgh) I’ve also seen a certain red ws6, only run a 13.7… so i guess that means ws6’s can’t run faster than 13.7 stock? The 2003-2004 Mach 1, and the LS1 F-body is a dead heat race… both have actually run high 12’s bone stock, but in the hands of a good driver, typically run low 13s all day long ---
**Author:** ![bics56](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@bics56](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bics56)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/47 "2007-03-05T17:40:39Z")
> [@Hope you're a real good swimmer](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hope-youre-a-real-good-swimmer/28540/9): > > I’ve also seen a certain red ws6, only run a 13.7… so i guess that means ws6’s can’t run faster than 13.7 stock? > > The 2003-2004 Mach 1, and the LS1 F-body is a dead heat race… both have actually run high 12’s bone stock, but in the hands of a good driver, typically run low 13s all day long I get your point…but I would consider myself as one of the slower f-bodies. And to sound ricer I did have a glazed ass clutch. BTW on that 13.7 run I spun like mad out of the hole with a 2.2 60’, spun like crazy on the 1-2 so bad I had to let off since I started to go sideways, then I hit the rev limiter at the top of 2nd…I know all this does is point out I suck at driveing (and I dont care) but it also shows the LS1 is pretty badass to do all that and still run a 13.7. Most LS1 f-bodies in stock form I see run 13.1-13.6 range for the most part. I somewhat agree on the Mach 1’s…I have seen a lot run low 13’s but it seems I see a lot more mach 1’s run high 13’s than I do f-bodies. I know this doesnt mean all that much but a LS1 typically traps about 2-3 more MPH than a mach1. But in the end you are right it is a driver’s race. I love Mach1’s…but the GT’s are a pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![cam303](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df788c/32.png) [@cam303](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cam303)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/48 "2007-03-05T17:55:11Z")
> [@WTF internet?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtf-internet/28479/97): > > aw did me ragging on ford get your panties in a bunch?? :love: :3some: the same people that make the cummins diesels and other performance dodges make my car…see a relation? if not I’m not surprised…you drive a ford…obviously you can’t see much at all. > > Your car has a curb weight of what…3600 pounds? a v8 getting what…barely 200 horses stock…you have pretty much no room to talk shit on a neon > > stop using google anybody can see you copy n pasted the crap out of that Dodge does not build the Cummins diesel…they buy them from cummins and put them into there trucks. ---
**Author:** ![flyinglow57](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/flyinglow57/32/5978_2.png) [@flyinglow57](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/flyinglow57)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/49 "2007-03-05T17:59:27Z")
> [@For all the cop rants](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/for-all-the-cop-rants/28534/17): > > Dodge does not build the Cummins diesel…they buy them from cummins and put them into there trucks. which ford has stock in :gives: ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/50 "2007-03-05T18:34:34Z")
The Mustang is not gods gift to the autmobile world and neither is anything with an LSwhatever / thread ---
**Author:** ![BlueZ06](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5f9b8f/32.png) [@BlueZ06](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlueZ06)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380/51 "2007-03-05T18:38:39Z")
> [@WNY Autocross 5/6 NCCC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wny-autocross-5-6-nccc/28538/10): > > I get your point…but I would consider myself as one of the slower f-bodies. And to sound ricer I did have a glazed ass clutch. BTW on that 13.7 run I spun like mad out of the hole with a 2.2 60’, spun like crazy on the 1-2 so bad I had to let off since I started to go sideways, then I hit the rev limiter at the top of 2nd…I know all this does is point out I suck at driveing (and I dont care) but it also shows the LS1 is pretty badass to do all that and still run a 13.7. Most LS1 f-bodies in stock form I see run 13.1-13.6 range for the most part. I somewhat agree on the Mach 1’s…I have seen a lot run low 13’s but it seems I see a lot more mach 1’s run high 13’s than I do f-bodies. I know this doesnt mean all that much but a LS1 typically traps about 2-3 more MPH than a mach1. But in the end you are right it is a driver’s race. I love Mach1’s…but the GT’s are a pathetic. so whats to say those 14 second GT’s or those high 13 second mach 1’s didnt have a shitty 60’ time either? LS1 and the Mach, make power differently, which is partly the reason for the higher traps. Also your typical LS1 F-body dynos 300-310rwhp stock, and weighs 3550lbs Mach 1, dynos 280-290, and weighs 3350 Last reason for the stangs to take a better driver to run better… ever look at the rear end setup on a SN95 mustang? kindve crappy, the F-body has the advantage for traction out of the hole [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bolt-on-ls1-vs-bolt-on-4-6-stang/187380.md?page=2)