# Buffalo 2nd Best City To Relocate to w/ Buffalo Pro and Con & Citv vs. Burb Position! **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 30, 2012, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519 "2012-11-30T10:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/61 "2012-12-02T21:12:56Z")
There are simply too many factors involved when it comes to choosing where you want to sustain a life to try and argue about taxes. I break it down to this: COL Wages Job Availability FAMILY Friends Networking Lifestyle The last four are pretty huge and were barely mentioned in this thread. These are things that you have to consider before relocating. Unless you’re a selfish hermit that hates your family. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/62 "2012-12-03T03:52:43Z")
The orginal topic was relocation based on cost of living one lol Wages and job availability don’t really apply to buffalo ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/63 "2012-12-03T04:01:19Z")
From the article: > Buffalo is an older, industrial city that has “gone through a sort of gut-wrenching transition into the 21st Century,” Sperling says. And now that it’s gotten over the bumps, it’s a great place to live. > > The Buffalo-Niagara Falls area has a growing arts scene and it’s affordable: **The cost of living is 14.4 percent below the national average** , **and the average home price is $119,700, well below the national average of $171,700**. > > There are more than 20 parks in Buffalo, earning it the nickname, “City of Trees,” and for all you sports fans, it’s home of the Buffalo Bills football team and Buffalo Sabres hockey team. As for Niagara Falls, the city has moved from an industrial center to a more sustainable tourism-based economy, and with the opening of the Conference Center Niagara Falls a few years ago, it now attracts more business travelers. > > **The unemployment rate in the region is 8.3 percent, below the national average. Health care and education are the fastest growing industries here.** > > Companies That Are Hiring Now: Synacor, M&T Bank, Kaleida Health and HSBC Bank, according to [Indeed.com](http://Indeed.com). ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/64 "2012-12-03T04:07:20Z")
I’d REALLY like to argue that education is one of the fastest growing industries here… ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/65 "2012-12-03T04:15:38Z")
Maybe one of the most popular degrees? But yeah, teaching jobs are scarce in NY. ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/66 "2012-12-03T04:39:17Z")
OR HSBC Bank LOL ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/67 "2012-12-03T05:32:41Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > I’d REALLY like to argue that education is one of the fastest growing industries here… There was a lot of people seeing that market in NY die out right when it did. Everyone wanted to teach since they said they needed teachers in NY. Nursing will be the next one in the next 5-10 years. So many people are going back to be nurses because they can’t get work elsewhere and we will see that one crumble here too. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/68 "2012-12-03T05:46:28Z")
That would hurt us even more. Our education department used to reel in like 300 new students per semester. Now…8. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/69 "2012-12-03T06:07:55Z")
This always seems to turn into a “you hate buffalo debate” I have moved away twice and moved back I just wish people would push legit reasons to move here. Like home prices are 14.4% lower then the national average however that is quickly fucked by taxes :lol: The potential for lockport to bring in other datacenters is huge. Cheap power for new businesses. The new tech startup sector in Buffalo. General Mills, Rich products, HSBC, First Niagara, Geico, Synacor. Multiple shitty sports teams. International airport that is never busy Short flying time to Boston, NYC Short drive to Toronto Lots of green space quality local restaurants(however the more I travel the more I realize all major cities also have this however they seem to lack in the suburbs in other places) Williamsville has some of the best schools in the country ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/70 "2012-12-03T06:16:14Z")
And there aren’t too many places where it’s 60 in December. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/71 "2012-12-03T06:19:34Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > And there aren’t too many places where it’s 60 in December. Global warming Buffalo is going to be a prime area to live in 20 years :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/72 "2012-12-03T06:31:02Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > This always seems to turn into a “you hate buffalo debate” > > I have moved away twice and moved back I just wish people would push legit reasons to move here. > > Like home prices are 14.4% lower then the national average however that is quickly fucked by taxes :lol: > > The potential for lockport to bring in other datacenters is huge. > Cheap power for new businesses. > The new tech startup sector in Buffalo. > General Mills, Rich products, HSBC, First Niagara, Geico, Synacor. > Multiple shitty sports teams. > International airport that is never busy > Short flying time to Boston, NYC > Short drive to Toronto > Lots of green space > quality local restaurants(however the more I travel the more I realize all major cities also have this however they seem to lack in the suburbs in other places) > Williamsville has some of the best schools in the country we are super spoiled by the lack of traffic / commute times we have. we can buy booze on sunday :tup: wegmans! ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/73 "2012-12-03T06:35:23Z")
Commute is fine as long as you’re not passing the blue water tower :lol: ---------- Post added at 09:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:32 AM ---------- Not sure how many of you are aware of > **[Home](http://www.z80labs.com/)** > > Want to work with us? > Although we like to invest in a beta or a prototype, if you aren't at that point yet, we are looking to help entrepreneurs that want to build a company in Buffalo. Get in touch. or [http://coworkbuffalo.com/](http://coworkbuffalo.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Beck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beck/32/28683_2.png) [@Beck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Beck)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/74 "2012-12-03T06:35:44Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Commute is fine as long as you’re not passing the blue water tower :lol: For ZERO reason whatsoever. It blows my mind that people can’t properly merge there. The amount of accidents there is equally as mind blowing. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/75 "2012-12-03T06:36:43Z")
^LOL fuck that 290/90 split. +1 on the food. You can get anything from a cheap burrito, to high end food in Buffalo. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/76 "2012-12-03T06:56:28Z")
> [@ProgRocker](#): > > ^LOL fuck that 290/90 split. > > +1 on the food. You can get anything from a cheap burrito, to high end food in Buffalo. You mean the 290/90/33 cluster fuck they built? What a brilliant decision. Lets throw all the cars coming down the 290 into the 90 and right there have people also try to head downtown or to the airport at the same interchange. I am not originally from Buffalo but Amherst in general seems like it was not built to accommodate anywhere near the amount of traffic they get today. ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/77 "2012-12-03T07:05:32Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > You mean the 290/90/33 cluster fuck they built? What a brilliant decision. Lets throw all the cars coming down the 290 into the 90 and right there have people also try to head downtown or to the airport at the same interchange. I am not originally from Buffalo but Amherst in general seems like it was not built to accommodate anywhere near the amount of traffic they get today. Yep, first off nobody seems to realize that from the 290 -\> 90 the right lane ends. So people fly down the right side and then slam on the brakes to try and merge. Then god forbid you need to get off at the 33W going downtown, you gotta merge right again. It also gets shitty on the actual 33E going towards the airport when traffic is coming off and going on to the 90. You have about 200 yards to move onto the 33. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/78 "2012-12-03T07:15:06Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > You mean the 290/90/33 cluster fuck they built? What a brilliant decision. Lets throw all the cars coming down the 290 into the 90 and right there have people also try to head downtown or to the airport at the same interchange. I am not originally from Buffalo but Amherst in general seems like it was not built to accommodate anywhere near the amount of traffic they get today. what was it like 20 years ago the place was primarily a swamp. its the definition of awful suburban sprawl. nothing but strip malls, 5 line roads/highways cutting through neighborhoods, and cookie cutter homes… ugh. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/79 "2012-12-03T07:19:24Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > The potential for lockport to bring in other datacenters is huge. > Cheap power for new businesses. > The new tech startup sector in Buffalo. > General Mills, Rich products, HSBC, First Niagara, Geico, Synacor. > Multiple shitty sports teams. > International airport that is never busy > Short flying time to Boston, NYC > Short drive to Toronto > Lots of green space > quality local restaurants(however the more I travel the more I realize all major cities also have this however they seem to lack in the suburbs in other places) > Williamsville has some of the best schools in the country ^ Pretty legit list. I’ll add weather. Some of us (snowmobilers, skiiers, snowboarders) actually look forward to the change of seasons and aren’t interested in living down south. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519/80 "2012-12-03T08:12:25Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > ^ Pretty legit list. > > I’ll add weather. Some of us (snowmobilers, skiiers, snowboarders) actually look forward to the change of seasons and aren’t interested in living down south. I will agree. The winter sports are much better in Buffalo due to the landscape. Not that I like most of them but at least there were options. Detroit has a lot more watersports stuff in the summer with all the inland lakes. (not trying to make this a detroit vs buffalo thread but making observations) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-2nd-best-city-to-relocate-to-w-buffalo-pro-and-con-citv-vs-burb-position/227519.md?page=5)