# BUFFALO R-OADS FTL =/ **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [May 7, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083 "2008-05-07T18:52:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![VANDIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vandit/32/4977_2.png) [@VANDIT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/VANDIT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/1 "2008-05-07T18:52:44Z")
If I may rant a little… Buffalo is the best city for commuters because we have a highway infrastructure designed in the 50s (and looking every day of it) for a population of 500,000+ people, which everyone assumed would just continue to grow. (If I might just interject a suggestion or two here: 1. If you’re on the I-90 Eastbound by the airport, the I-290 interchange is counterintuitive. Reconfigure the exit so that the left lanes continue straight onto the 290, and the right lanes turn east towards Albany;and 2. Ramps onto and off of our expressways are banked backwards, increasing the risk of truck rollovers. Bank them correctly.) The reason I bring this up is this thread at Buffalo Rising, which quickly devolved into silliness. But this post from “Prodigal Son” deserves to be highlighted, because I agree with every word: I have no patience for either end of the urban vs. suburban debate. Einstein put it perfectly - there is more to either side than Transit Road and Fillmore Avenue. Arbitrary “distinctions” between neighborhoods divide and hold back WNY as much as high taxes. There is no high moral ground to claim for living in the city, or living in a suburb. You live downtown, ride a bike to work, and eat lunch on Elmwood every day? Great for you - I hope you enjoy the lifestyle you’ve picked. The carbon footprint you save on your bike is dwarfed by your huge heating bill each winter as the energy leaks out of your architecturally correct but wasteful 100 year old windows. You live in Williamsville, drive to work downtown, and get take out from Tim Horton’s? Sounds good too. I hope you appreciate the same commute in Vegas would take 90 minutes and cost $15 a trip in your SUV. Nobody’s perfect - I’m a little sick of the vicious judgement on both sides. You can’t make a suburb without an urb. Surrounding suburbs of Buffalo need a vital core at its center to thrive. The city is not saturated with uzi wielding hooligans (thanks Irv). At the same time, no successful growing city in America is a dense downtown core with no residential suburb surrounding it. Some people want space, and pay for it. That doesn’t make them bad people or a threat to your bohemian downtown existence. Give it a rest. Both sides need each other. Let’s take all the the energy wasted in downtown vs suburb battles and invest in some businesses, create a few jobs, and start growing again. amen… ---
**Author:** ![Violator](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/violator/32/7278_2.png) [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/2 "2008-05-07T19:15:37Z")
not bad ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/3 "2008-05-07T19:46:01Z")
so, who wrote that? ---
**Author:** ![VANDIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vandit/32/4977_2.png) [@VANDIT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/VANDIT)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/4 "2008-05-07T21:54:45Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > so, who wrote that? heyzeus helped spel cheek it for mee =):lolham: ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/5 "2008-05-07T23:00:57Z")
So the plane takes off? ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/6 "2008-05-07T23:07:06Z")
Well put. I never even thought about how stupid that exit to the 290 is. haha. ---
**Author:** ![TgDn32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tgdn32/32/7360_2.png) [@TgDn32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TgDn32)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/7 "2008-05-08T04:56:19Z")
And how exactly are they going to reconfigure the exit? Make new lanes that sweep way out to the right and under? ---
**Author:** ![Eazy716](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eazy716/32/7443_2.png) [@Eazy716](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eazy716)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/8 "2008-05-08T05:11:56Z")
:needpic: ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/9 "2008-05-08T05:14:38Z")
> [@TgDn32](#): > > And how exactly are they going to reconfigure the exit? > > Make new lanes that sweep way out to the right and under? wtf are you talking about? It’s an incredibly simple idea. instead of having the 290 ramp go to the right, and come over the 90. have the two left lanes, go to the 290, then the two right lanes go straight to the tolls. It won’t ever happen since theres no point in taking down that ramp, just makes you wonder why it’s like that in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![JCuz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jcuz/32/7338_2.png) [@JCuz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JCuz)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/10 "2008-05-08T05:49:22Z")
![http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/otps/bottlenecks2/images/fig2_1.jpg](http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/otps/bottlenecks2/images/fig2_1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/11 "2008-05-08T06:13:03Z")
EDIT: I is a tard. For some reason I was thinking it wasn’t going the same direction. ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/12 "2008-05-08T07:08:36Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > It won’t ever happen since theres no point in taking down that ramp, just makes you wonder why it’s like that in the first place. It was designed before the suburban sprawl began and the 290 was likely a minor highway that was more an off-ramp from the major highway which is the 90. An IMO, changing which side of the highway the exit is on is NOT going to solve the traffic issues at that area. The problem is much moreso idiotic drivers who don’t know how to use the road despite driving it daily for years. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/13 "2008-05-08T07:10:08Z")
> [@VANDIT"](#): > > If you’re on the I-90 Eastbound by the airport, the I-290 interchange is counterintuitive. Reconfigure the exit so that the left lanes continue straight onto the 290, and the right lanes turn east towards Albany That could be the biggest waste of money I’ve yet heard regarding how to improve Buffalo. > [@VANDIT"](#): > > Ramps onto and off of our expressways are banked backwards, increasing the risk of truck rollovers. Bank them correctly.) WAT? Do we see a lot of truck roll overs because of the claimed plethora of ramps banked the wrong way? Another collosal waste of money. > [@VANDIT"](#): > > I have no patience for either end of the urban vs. suburban debate. Einstein put it perfectly - there is more to either side than Transit Road and Fillmore Avenue. Yeah I’m sure Einstein had an opinion on Buffalo. Unless Einstein is the SN of someone on Buffalo Rising, in which case the context kind of got lost here. [FONT=Verdana] > [@VANDIT"](#): > > Arbitrary “distinctions” between neighborhoods divide and hold back WNY as much as high taxes. [/FONT] Actually, I’m pretty sure high taxes are a lot more damaging than people feeling proud of the things that make their neighborhoods unique. [FONT=Verdana] > [@VANDIT"](#): > > There is no high moral ground to claim for living in the city, or living in a suburb. [/FONT] Agreed. [FONT=Verdana] > [@VANDIT"](#): > > Let’s take all the the energy wasted in downtown vs suburb battles and invest in some businesses, create a few jobs, and start growing again.[/FONT] Umm, WAT? Who the hell is investing the amount of energy required to revitalize an economy in posting on the internet? :picard: Sorry, this just struck me as one of those great proclamations where someone wanted to be heard first and thought of something to say second. ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/14 "2008-05-08T07:53:05Z")
fry, The kid is a tard. /thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/15 "2008-05-08T07:55:52Z")
lol thanks for clearing that up for me. Makes more sense now. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![VANDIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vandit/32/4977_2.png) [@VANDIT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/VANDIT)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/16 "2008-05-11T11:43:32Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > fry, The kid is a tard. > /thread. AND YOUR SWEEEEEEEETT!!! :grouphug: When you are attached to a urban planner (as a major) you get GOOD ideas thrown your way all the time… and minglor, i bet you could not construct such a manifesto if you tried you hot dog… Just stay in ea where you belong (ea/op/and its larger areas around it are what make taxes in ERIE county soo expensive… its not cheep to send electric/water/etc there… PERFECT EXAMPLE: Toronto (the city put a “imaginary line” around itself so they would NOT f- things up like we did here in buffalsprawlo…) /thread ---
**Author:** ![VANDIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vandit/32/4977_2.png) [@VANDIT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/VANDIT)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/17 "2008-05-11T11:54:47Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > wtf are you talking about? It’s an incredibly simple idea. > > instead of having the 290 ramp go to the right, and come over the 90. have the two left lanes, go to the 290, then the two right lanes go straight to the tolls. > > It won’t ever happen since theres no point in taking down that ramp, just makes you wonder why it’s like that in the first place. ding ding ding!!! winner =) :tup: ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/18 "2008-05-11T12:33:35Z")
Whoa somebody needs a cuddle-time-out. ---
**Author:** ![Rsnake91](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rsnake91/32/4996_2.png) [@Rsnake91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rsnake91)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/19 "2008-05-11T13:31:48Z")
theres no way we can improve buffalo IMO, soon as i graduate, i wanna get the fuck outta here ---
**Author:** ![TgDn32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tgdn32/32/7360_2.png) [@TgDn32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TgDn32)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083/20 "2008-05-11T16:34:09Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > wtf are you talking about? It’s an incredibly simple idea. > > instead of having the 290 ramp go to the right, and come over the 90. have the two left lanes, go to the 290, then the two right lanes go straight to the tolls. > > It won’t ever happen since theres no point in taking down that ramp, just makes you wonder why it’s like that in the first place. I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that exits were supposed to be on the left side. Moron. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-r-oads-ftl/48083.md?page=2)