# Buick's new Grand National GNX T-Type **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 28, 2012, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471 "2012-11-28T08:09:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/21 "2012-11-28T15:27:26Z")
> [@drewster99](#): > > This is why I hate GM… So you think they are the only manufacturer who crosses platforms? Really? ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/22 "2012-11-28T15:29:28Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > So you think they are the only manufacturer who crosses platforms? Really? Ones that went under horribly? ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/23 "2012-11-28T15:40:01Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Ones that went under horribly? GM, Ford and Toyota dominate the global market for a reason. Clearly your opinion does not match up to the billions of people who buy cars from them. ---
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/24 "2012-11-28T15:54:12Z")
I like the idea, but really can’t associate the Buick nameplate with anything performance orientated. Maybe that will change if they start offering rwd manual trans cars with lots of HP. > [@LXIFLYBY](#): > > it should ONLY be offered in black The GN will only be available in black according to the article. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/25 "2012-11-28T15:56:02Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > GM, Ford and Toyota dominate the global market for a reason. Clearly your opinion does not match up to the billions of people who buy cars from them. Right GM was bailed out and going forward was going to condense product lines. Now they’re right back at re badging the ATS ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/26 "2012-11-28T19:05:02Z")
Nostalgia sells… to a point. The Caddy line is exciting but this “copy” is… :meh: ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/27 "2012-11-28T19:15:43Z")
Doesn’t it look photoshopped to anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![captain\_morgan1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/captain_morgan1/32/5928_2.png) [@captain\_morgan1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/captain_morgan1)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/28 "2012-11-28T20:27:48Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > GM, Ford and Toyota dominate the global market for a reason. Clearly your opinion does not match up to the billions of people who buy cars from them. Really cause i thought VW did? ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/29 "2012-11-28T22:10:32Z")
Buick = old faggoty gay cars. Sorry. If think otherwise you can suck my penis. It’s average size. ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/30 "2012-11-29T04:22:48Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Buick = old faggoty gay cars. Sorry. If think otherwise you can suck my penis. It’s average size. LOL this made my day, I love mine, I had no intention of getting one at first but I came around ---
**Author:** ![ctspoolintsi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ctspoolintsi/32/7456_2.png) [@ctspoolintsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ctspoolintsi)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/31 "2012-11-29T04:22:56Z")
grill and wheels look ulgy. and yes to me it looks like a shot from forza or photoshop doesnt look real ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/32 "2012-11-29T04:57:16Z")
> [@captain morgan](#): > > Really cause i thought VW did? Your point? VW does the same things with platforms. Badge engineering was much worse before where the cars looked identical and they just swapped badges. At least now they are changing the lines and using the design language from each brand. ---------- Post added at 07:57 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:55 AM ---------- > [@ctspoolintsi](#): > > grill and wheels look ulgy. and yes to me it looks like a shot from forza or photoshop doesnt look real Agreed that is an ATS that has been chopped. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/33 "2012-11-29T06:02:51Z")
I’ll reserve judgement until I see what the actual model looks like, not some poor Photoshop job (clearly someone found the Brightness and Contrast tool). I’ve always liked performance Buicks, going back to the GS400s and the GSXs with 510 lb/ft of torque at 1800 rpm. If it’s a GN/GNX it should be a turbo six. ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/34 "2012-11-29T06:10:50Z")
The direct injection twin turbo 6 should be a great engine. The rumored higher output one sounds like it has a lot of potential. ---
**Author:** ![drewster99](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drewster99/32/5468_2.png) [@drewster99](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drewster99)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/35 "2012-11-29T06:40:15Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > So you think they are the only manufacturer who crosses platforms? Really? I didn’t say that. Tons of manufacturers share platforms between their brands. I tend to stay away from the ones that do. ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/36 "2012-11-29T06:56:25Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Right GM was bailed out and going forward was going to condense product lines. > > Now they’re right back at re badging the ATS You really don’t know what you are talking about. Don’t complain about GM rebadging cars when every other manufacturer does the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/37 "2012-11-29T07:01:46Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > You really don’t know what you are talking about. Don’t complain about GM rebadging cars when every other manufacturer does the same thing. I’m completely aware other companies do it. carry on ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/38 "2012-11-29T07:31:30Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Right GM was bailed out and going forward was going to condense product lines. > > Now they’re right back at re badging the ATS You really don’t know what you are talking about. Don’t complain about GM re badging platforms when they already taking sales away from themselves CTS vs. ATS: > [@carANDdriver](#): > > Caddy-on-Caddy Violence > > Cadillac CTS sales in October 2012: 2344 > Amount by which this was lower than CTS sales in October 2011: **1574** > Cadillac ATS sales in October 2012: **1266** > Audi A4 sales: 2740 > Infiniti G sales: 3438 > **What the numbers reveal: Cadillac may run into serious trouble when dealers are fully stocked with the ATS line, which still is midway through its launch. The new sports sedan could well cannibalize sales from the CTS:** The ATS is sharper to drive, cheaper, and more fuel efficient. **Any ATS scooped up instead of a CTS means lower profits for Cadillac.** Although the ATS’s rear seat is nearly uninhabitable, that may not be an issue for most buyers. Yuppies and empty nesters often don’t care about back seats, while family buyers probably have an SUV in the garage already. [http://blog.caranddriver.com/october-2012-sales-what-the-headlines-dont-tell-you/](http://blog.caranddriver.com/october-2012-sales-what-the-headlines-dont-tell-you/) ---
**Author:** ![Jeller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@Jeller](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeller)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/39 "2012-11-29T08:17:34Z")
I don’t 100% agree with: “The new sports sedan could well cannibalize sales from the CTS” I don’t think that every ATS sold is a direct steal from the CTS line as they are proposing. Maybe the ATS line is giving customers another option for sure, but what is to say they would have bought a CTS at all and not ventured into another brand instead had they not had the ATS option? ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2012, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471/40 "2012-11-29T08:33:13Z")
Are you insinuating that they have forgone journalistic integrity in favor of sensationalism? I agree, with not agreeing 100%. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buicks-new-grand-national-gnx-t-type/227471.md?page=3)