# Buying into the save money hype. v.hybrids
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [December 3, 2007, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653 "2007-12-03T10:52:46Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/21 "2007-12-03T11:38:31Z")
[quote=“Viper966,post:19,topic:39653"”]
says the baller in the 93 regal…
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Its a pretty nice GN, edit oh sorry that a 87 regal
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### Author:  [@nelstoys](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nelstoys)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/22 "2007-12-03T11:40:30Z")
Yea all the other shit I own dont matter I guess. Im about to have a fully polished stainless steel exhaust put on it. Why ? Because I can. Baller no, car freak yea. I love all walks of autos and trucks. My 93 regal has been in the fam since new and ill never sell it.
My friend has an 89 park ave he loves to death, he takes better care of that then he does his 68 skylark gs.
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### Author:  [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/23 "2007-12-03T11:48:19Z")
as soon as we can plug in the hybrids the entire equation changes. this is the last thing the oil/auto industry wants for numerous reasons.
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### Author:  [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/24 "2007-12-03T11:52:44Z")
I didn’t read the thread, but why would it depreciate faster? Hybrids are in higher demand, and probably, like Diesels, owners will end up retaining them longer, keeping demand higher.
Additionally, I think many people that buy Hybrids like them for many reasons, including the fact that you ARE using less gas, for the same vehicle, reducing your “footprint” and all that good stuff.
I don’t know that anyone that I’ve met that owned a hybrid was dumb enough to say that they just bought a new vehicle, that cost extra for the hybrid option, in order to save money.
Seems like you are just as small minded (if not more) if you think that this in any way warrants a “HA HA, THEY R DUM” response it seems to be getting.
Lets not even talk about the headway they are making for AF vehicles in general.
Just my $.02.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/25 "2007-12-03T12:04:39Z")
[quote=“walter,post:24,topic:39653"”]
I didn’t read the thread
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Then why post?
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### Author:  [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/26 "2007-12-03T12:04:48Z")
They need new batteries after about 6 to 8 years and most of the electrical starts failing about then as well.
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### Author:  [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/27 "2007-12-03T12:09:39Z")
[quote=“BigRon,post:26,topic:39653"”]
They need new batteries after about 6 to 8 years and most of the electrical starts failing about then as well.
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thats not true and hasnt been proven yet
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/28 "2007-12-03T12:14:32Z")
[quote=“Viper966,post:27,topic:39653"”]
thats not true and hasnt been proven yet
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Well, they warranty it for 8 year/100k, so that should tell you something. Lots of people talking about the cost of replacing the battery as a downside so if Toyota was so confident it was going to last 15 years / 200k they’d warranty it that long just to boost the consumer confidence.
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### Author:  [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/29 "2007-12-03T12:15:35Z")
What the batteries or the failures?
I have seen articles on plenty of Prius electric failures costing up to 5 grand.
Batteries have a limited life especially in the south.
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### Author:  [@sureshot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/30 "2007-12-03T12:16:28Z")
[quote=“JayS,post:25,topic:39653"”]
Then why post?
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You didn’t really dispute his comments though, which were valid. :walter:
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### Author:  [@Boomin99GT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boomin99GT)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/31 "2007-12-03T12:18:18Z")
The only thing I don’t like about Hybrids is that if they’re in a major collision a lot of emergency response people don’t know what to do with them and if they cut into a certain part of the car they can go right through the high voltage cables. Thats no good. We saw tons of Prius’ be brought to our dealer before a body shop so that we could remove the battery properly because none of them wanted to touch it. Things like that are all that I’d worry about. I’m not interested in hybrids but as I always say, to each their own.
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### Author:  [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/32 "2007-12-03T12:20:17Z")
people buy things for all kinds of reasons. Some practical, some vain, some dumb.
Regardless, sales fuel innovation and technological progress and those benefits far outweigh any concerns mentioned.
When someone spends 60+ grand on a car they dont need to care about saving a few grand in fuel. Some people like the idea that they are contributing to technology and a better future.
Not everyone is about instant gratification.
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### Author:  [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/33 "2007-12-03T12:20:54Z")
The Ten Worst Used Cars and Trucks by Consumer Affairs (5 Fords)
By Joe Benton
> **[ConsumerAffairs.com: Research. Review. Resolve.](https://www.consumeraffairs.com/)**
>
> ConsumerAffairs.com: Knowledge is Power! Consumer news, reviews, complaints, resources, safety recalls
June 18, 2007
1. Toyota Prius
The Toyota Prius is proving to be a good, solid car but as the hybrid
approaches 100,000 miles a number of odd problems are popping up that
ought to be cause for concern among consumers shopping for a
secondhand hybrid.
The Japanese automaker began selling gas-and-electric cars ten years
ago and is now the acknowledged hybrid leader in the automotive
industry.
But a growing number of [ConsumerAffairs.Com](http://ConsumerAffairs.Com) readers are reporting that
the Prius hybrid technology is not aging well. With some Prius models
in the U.S. on the road now for eight years and approaching 100,000
miles, owners are beginning to encounter problems that are unique to
the hybrids.
One reader reported to us that in her 2004 Prius the hybrid display
began to malfunction and “did not work with the result of being unable
to get gas into car.”
A California reader told us that the monitor is also failing in his
Prius and said that Toyota is unwilling to provide any assistance
because the monitor is no longer covered by the Toyota warranty.
“There is a technical service bulletin out on it from Toyota which
tells the dealer how to repair the problem but only if the car is
under factory warranty,” he said. “My car has 49,000 miles on it and
is out of warranty.”
A Texas Prius owner with 91,000 miles on his hybrid said that “the
dashboard lit up with multiple warning lights. The dealer picked it up
and said that the transmission went out and it would cost $6,000 to
fix and the Prius was out of warranty.”
Toyota allowed no coverage, not even partial help even though the
transmission was part of the Hybrid Power train covered for 5 years
and 100,000 miles.
A southern California Prius owner told us that his car has died on the
freeway four times. The second time the dealer had the car for 53 days
waiting for parts.
The growing number of complaints and problems owners of aging Prius
hybrids are encountering suggest that a wary consumer ought to look
long and hard before becoming the second owner of one of these
hybrids.
Toyota warrants the hybrid drive system for 100,000 miles, but as
Danny in San Antonio discovered, there can be some uncertainty as to
which of the Prius components are considered part of the hybrid drive
and which are not.
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### Author:  [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/34 "2007-12-03T12:23:51Z")
These hybrids…there are a lot of emissions associated with producing them.
Just ask the people of Sudbury, Ontario.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/35 "2007-12-03T12:24:16Z")
[quote=“sureshot!,post:30,topic:39653"”]
You didn’t really dispute his comments though, which were valid. :walter:
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Why should I bother. He obviously only wants to give his opinion while not listening to anyone elses.
I was doing a little searching on [kbb.com](http://kbb.com) and found this interesting.
2001 Prius vs 2001 Camry. Figuring 85k for both.
20000 prius MSRP in 2001
10400 prius private party value today.
18500 camry MSRP in 2001
7500 camry private party value today.
So the Camry actually lost a higher percentage of it’s original value.
Of course, which one would **YOU** buy used?
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/36 "2007-12-03T12:25:28Z")
[quote=“sureshot!,post:30,topic:39653"”]
You didn’t really dispute his comments though, which were valid. :walter:
[/quote]
Why should I bother. He obviously only wants to give his opinion while not listening to anyone elses.
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### Author:  [@rugsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rugsr)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/37 "2007-12-03T12:32:57Z")
not into hybrids yet but i do like this new honda
[http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/](http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/)
get it in black and toss a lip kit on it…should be nice
…
and if you dont like it, you should like the add…its pretty funny
[http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?gallery=1](http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?gallery=1)
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### Author:  [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/38 "2007-12-03T12:43:54Z")
[quote=“JayS,post:25,topic:39653"”]
Then why post?
[/quote]
Because I read the article and the OP’s post, and he sounded like a moron with his head in his ass.
I should have clarified, I have not read every response to this thread yet.
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### Author:  [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/39 "2007-12-03T12:45:29Z")
[quote=“JayS,post:28,topic:39653"”]
Well, they warranty it for 8 year/100k, so that should tell you something. Lots of people talking about the cost of replacing the battery as a downside so if Toyota was so confident it was going to last 15 years / 200k they’d warranty it that long just to boost the consumer confidence.
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So, you are saying that your GTO is going to blow up after 36,000 miles? Man, better sell it quick. That is worse than a hybrid! :cjerk:
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [December 3, 2007, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buying-into-the-save-money-hype-v-hybrids/39653/40 "2007-12-03T12:45:40Z")
[quote=“walter,post:38,topic:39653"”]
Because I read the article and the OP’s post, and he sounded like a moron with his head in his ass.
I should have clarified, I have not read every response to this thread yet.
[/quote]
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