# C/D : Winter Traction Test **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [December 12, 2009, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169 "2009-12-12T10:03:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/1 "2009-12-12T10:03:23Z")
_[http://www.caranddriver.com/features/archive/winter-traction\_test\_what\_price\_traction\_-feature](http://www.caranddriver.com/features/archive/winter-traction_test_what_price_traction_-feature)_ CLIFFS. AWD on Stock all-seasons vs. FWD & RWD cars on Snow Tires: **Moving forward:**"… four-wheel drive doubles the grip of a stock two-wheel-drive car when accelerating or climbing a grade. " **Braking:**"Winter tires win this one handily. " **Skidpad:** “Winter tires won again at the snow circle, providing twice the improvement in lateral grip that 4wd on stock tires could offer.” **Slalom:** “As we found on the skidpad, winter tires again showed roughly double the dynamic handling advantage that four-wheel drive offers.” ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/2 "2009-12-12T10:28:16Z")
that test is 10 years old, the technology of the tires are both over 10 years old. results are still valid though. Blizzaks are a purpose built ice tire, not really good in slush and deep snow that we have here in buffalo. there are much better tires for our area than Blizzaks. ---
**Author:** ![ieatpaint](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ieatpaint/32/7311_2.png) [@ieatpaint](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ieatpaint)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/3 "2009-12-12T10:29:08Z")
I’ve got 4 directional winter tires on my AWD, does that mean I fuckin rule? Somewhat surprising results though. ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/4 "2009-12-12T10:31:53Z")
> [@Spam16v](#): > > that test is 10 years old, the technology of the tires are both over 10 years old. results are still valid though. Blizzaks are a purpose built ice tire, not really good in slush and deep snow that we have here in buffalo. there are much better tires for our area than Blizzaks. I think I mostly posted it for being ten years old. I’ve run hakkas for the last two winters, I’m a fan people that are under the impression a truck or an essuvee is the ONLY way to get anywhere in the winter are my favorite. ---
**Author:** ![dawn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dawn/32/7209_2.png) [@dawn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dawn)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/5 "2009-12-12T10:46:01Z")
I love trucks with bald tires who get stuck. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/6 "2009-12-12T10:58:35Z")
I aint no fizzasist but I would bet my lunch that AWD more doubles traction because with front wheel drive you are pulling mass that is not helping traction but with AWD all of the mass is contributing to traction. ---
**Author:** ![ieatpaint](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ieatpaint/32/7311_2.png) [@ieatpaint](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ieatpaint)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/7 "2009-12-12T11:00:10Z")
lol @ “ain’t no fizzasist” ---
**Author:** ![Nikeman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikeman/32/5141_2.png) [@Nikeman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikeman)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/8 "2009-12-12T11:01:00Z")
I have AWD with Blizzaks…I’m good to go! ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/9 "2009-12-12T12:12:10Z")
It depends largely on the AWD system. AWD with three open diffs = 1 wheel peel on ice, same as a basic Civic. I’ve tested this in the real world with a legacy turbo. It consistantly spun a single rear tire when launched on ice. For each LSD you add to an AWD car, you can drive 1 more wheel while spinning. Of course I’m heavily oversimplifying, but you get my point. An STI or one of the Evos with 3 LSDs will have far more traction during acceleration than the average base model AWD Subaru without LSDs. And yes, AWD does not equal great handling or stopping on ice. I always have a set of summers and a set of Nokian winters for mine. I think AWD gives some people a false sense of security because they base overall grip on how easy it is to accelerate. The car may take off fine, but that doesn’t mean you’ll be able to stop easily. ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/10 "2009-12-12T12:19:53Z")
awd w/ welded diff? ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/11 "2009-12-12T12:25:27Z")
Also, wider or narrower winter tires better? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/12 "2009-12-12T14:11:58Z")
I understand what Mike is saying but even if all of the wheels aren’t driving at the same time the mass still makes a difference. Example: Put 500lbs in the back of a Civic and it won’t move in snow, put 500lbs in the back of a quattro and get siq traction. ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/13 "2009-12-12T14:21:24Z")
> [@Minglor](#): > > I think I mostly posted it for being ten years old. > I’ve run hakkas for the last two winters, I’m a fan > > people that are under the impression a truck or an essuvee is the ONLY way to get anywhere in the winter are my favorite. that depends, If I have to be some where fast, I dont have time to shovel and snow blow the 8’’ of snow we got, and oh damn look, theres a 15’’ ridge at the end of the driveway thanks to Mr. Plow. what to do what to do with my awd car that is 6’’ off the ground. I put it in 4lo and drive thru it like air in my jeep. but to go with what your saying besides being low, hondas eat snow. ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/14 "2009-12-12T19:02:09Z")
my integra was a fckin tank thru snow lol, and i only had all seasons on it actually i had the uniroyals that i sold u i think ---
**Author:** ![challengermike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/challengermike/32/5106_2.png) [@challengermike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/challengermike)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/15 "2009-12-12T19:14:25Z")
> [@deebo](#): > > Also, wider or narrower winter tires better? Narrow is better. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/16 "2009-12-12T19:14:28Z")
\<3 nokian’s ---
**Author:** ![kuppler8](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kuppler8/32/4988_2.png) [@kuppler8](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kuppler8)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/17 "2009-12-13T16:15:57Z")
what the fuck i work at dunn tire and we play this info video on repeat all day explaining the differences in allseason and snows, and how different vehicles do with different combination of the two. ive seen it about 1000 times. but i think they base most of that info on the average soccer mom who wouldnt no what to do whe she started to turn and the ass end of her vehicle started to step out. i think any one would be fine with a set of good all seasons, and just some good old fashioned careful driving. dont get me wrong there are clear advantages to snows. there are two types of winter tires out now, a ice compound (blizzaks, yoko ig20, dunlop graspics, etc…) that will perform just as good as a studded tire on ice. then there is the tire that is designed for loose snow and slush (kumho kw22, altimaz artic). it mostly just depends what you want out of the tire. ---
**Author:** ![burnt\_toast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnt_toast/32/7518_2.png) [@burnt\_toast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnt_toast)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/18 "2009-12-13T16:39:30Z")
> [@kuppler8](#): > > what the fuck i work at dunn tire and we play this info video on repeat all day explaining the differences in allseason and snows, and how different vehicles do with different combination of the two. ive seen it about 1000 times. but i think they base most of that info on the average soccer mom who wouldnt no what to do whe she started to turn and the ass end of her vehicle started to step out. i think any one would be fine with a set of good all seasons, and just some good old fashioned careful driving. dont get me wrong there are clear advantages to snows. there are two types of winter tires out now, a ice compound (blizzaks, yoko ig20, dunlop graspics, etc…) that will perform just as good as a studded tire on ice. then there is the tire that is designed for loose snow and slush (kumho kw22, altimaz artic). it mostly just depends what you want out of the tire. somewhere in that headache i think you said that tires without studs perform just as well on ice as studded tires. :uhh: ---
**Author:** ![kuppler8](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kuppler8/32/4988_2.png) [@kuppler8](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kuppler8)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/19 "2009-12-13T16:42:18Z")
yes in that head ache of poor grammer i did say that. they are designing winter tires spacificly for that purpose. im gonna edit and renig that a little bit its going to mostly depend on the tire your studding, studs still may offer a drastic performance increase on ice for a cheap tire, but when compaired to a expensive tire the difference is minimal ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169/20 "2009-12-13T16:56:40Z")
ive ran winter tires (cheap ass wintermasters) in the front and good tread all seasons in the back of my cackord for the last 3 years, ive gotten stuck once and that was because i backed into a huge snowbank at like 15 mph, the ass end was in the air lol i was not going anywhere. you should have seen me hammering through shit thurs night, the key is to just go real fast haha. scrape scrape awd is fun though [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/c-d-winter-traction-test/77169.md?page=2)