# Cage or no cage street car. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 27, 2007, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186 "2007-02-27T13:27:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/21 "2007-02-27T13:40:45Z")
[quote=“newman,post:17,topic:25186"”] if you wear your harnesses properly, I don’t think this is a massive concern… [/quote] I am probbley wrong but I thought those harnesses are not street legal. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/22 "2007-02-27T13:41:30Z")
[quote=“FormulaLS1,post:21,topic:25186"”] I am probbley wrong but I thought those harnesses are not street legal. [/quote] i have been pulled over a few times. It was never even mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![9ONA3OOZX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9ona3oozx/32/7242_2.png) [@9ONA3OOZX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9ONA3OOZX)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/23 "2007-02-27T13:41:51Z")
[quote=“FormulaLS1,post:21,topic:25186"”] I am probbley wrong but I thought those harnesses are not street legal. [/quote] i made a point to ask about race harnesses at driving school 2 weeks ago…as long as they securely hold you down, they’re legal…or so the instructor told me… ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/24 "2007-02-27T13:44:23Z")
[quote=“331camaro,post:20,topic:25186"”] what times do you plan on turning? [/quote] Not very fast… ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/25 "2007-02-27T13:47:13Z")
[quote=“90NA300ZX,post:23,topic:25186"”] i made a point to ask about race harnesses at driving school 2 weeks ago…as long as they securely hold you down, they’re legal…or so the instructor told me… [/quote] I’m fairly certain that that’s not the only criteria. However, a lot of people with 4+ point harnesses in their cars don’t wear them properly. WHen i drive my harnesses are so tight i cannot move my body at all. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/26 "2007-02-27T13:48:27Z")
Are the 5 point harnesses DOT approved? ---
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/27 "2007-02-27T13:50:04Z")
[quote=“FormulaLS1,post:26,topic:25186"”] Are the 5 point harnesses DOT approved? [/quote] nope, technicall only standard seat belts are DOT approved, 4pt and 5pt gets approvals from racing bodies like SCCA and FIA etc ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/28 "2007-02-27T13:50:47Z")
[quote=“FormulaLS1,post:26,topic:25186"”] Are the 5 point harnesses DOT approved? [/quote] i think that there are some 4pt schroth ones that are, but no other ones. If you are going to get a cage, you need to run harnesses. EDIT: [Schroth Rallye 4 Harness](http://www.soloracer.com/rallye4.html) ---
**Author:** ![notch-dc5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/919ad9/32.png) [@notch-dc5](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/notch-dc5)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/29 "2007-02-27T13:52:00Z")
I’ve been pulled over a bunch of times and the cage is mentioned every time. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/30 "2007-02-27T13:53:51Z")
If you’re going to be fast enough to have it be required yes. Otherwise, no. Cages worry me in street cars because of the amount of engineering that goes into a modern car in respect to crash worthiness. You make think you’re making yourself safer only to have the cage end up being your cause of death in a multiple vehicle crash in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![331camaro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/a88e57/32.png) [@331camaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/331camaro)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/31 "2007-02-27T13:55:35Z")
:word: ---
**Author:** ![Choda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/choda/32/7347_2.png) [@Choda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Choda)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/32 "2007-02-27T13:58:27Z")
no cage unless u in low 9s. which aint gonna happen dont be a ricer ---
**Author:** ![Skurge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skurge/32/7285_2.png) [@Skurge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Skurge)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/33 "2007-02-27T14:02:08Z")
yea when i wear my 4-points they are so tight i cant move at all, takes some time to ge tused to but i love it now from what i was told 4 points are legal, 5’s are not…could be wrong though ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/34 "2007-02-27T14:03:31Z")
it depends on what you are doing with the car. Even my STi which is remarkably stiff OEM, has noticeably increased stiffness from the addition of the cage. ---
**Author:** ![Studderin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/studderin/32/7197_2.png) [@Studderin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Studderin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/35 "2007-02-27T14:06:22Z")
you need a cage? lol edit\_ going to 2stages??? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/36 "2007-02-27T14:07:06Z")
[quote=“Skurge,post:33,topic:25186"”] yea when i wear my 4-points they are so tight i cant move at all, takes some time to ge tused to but i love it now from what i was told 4 points are legal, 5’s are not…could be wrong though [/quote] Not only were you told wrong, but 4 points are INCREDIBLY unsafe. The worst type of restraint. 6\>5\>3\>4. I’m not going to comment on the cage portion other than saying this. If you plan on daily driving a car with a cage, padding or no padding, it is actually LESS safe 9/10 than with a cage due to the possibility of your head connecting with the cage (yes, even with padding). The same does not apply if you are wearing a helmet, and if it’s a well designed custom cage. I dont feel like going into all the details though as it’s only going to start an arguement. ---
**Author:** ![neurokinetik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neurokinetik/32/7270_2.png) [@neurokinetik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neurokinetik)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/37 "2007-02-27T14:08:04Z")
[quote=“jeeves744,post:18,topic:25186"”] so put padding around the bars. Atleast in the areas your head might hit [/quote] It won’t be enough to prevent you from fracturing your skull. Think about putting that padding on a baseball bat. Would you let somebody take a swing at your unhelmeted noggin? I sure wouldn’t… ---
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/38 "2007-02-27T14:11:11Z")
what kind of cage? 4pt? i would run a 4pt on the street ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/39 "2007-02-27T14:15:00Z")
Cage, not roll bar. There is a reason a halo, a pillar bars and door bars are not being installed in my car this winter. ---
**Author:** ![somedude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@somedude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/somedude)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2007, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186/40 "2007-02-27T14:32:09Z")
I want a cage in my SHO, they improve stiffness a great deal + I really want a proper harness for racing. who installs cages around here? What am I thinking i can’t afford that. maybe i’ll just do harness this season. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cage-or-no-cage-street-car/25186.md?page=3)