# Camaro vs Mustang facepalm thread (split) **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [January 21, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550 "2011-01-21T14:08:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/221 "2011-01-27T11:36:20Z")
> [@Black Friday](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/black-friday/39141/38): > > LS1’s are around 400-430lbs i think and about 80lbs more on the iron LSx. people say that ls1’s weigh 385 but i think a complete motor with all accesories and fluids is close to 415-430. sean and i carried my old ls1 shortblock last sat and dry weight id say about 250lbs, heads are 40-50 and so on Fully dressed 457.6lb with auto flexplate or 497.2lb with flywheel/clutch. ---
**Author:** ![dsblk93gt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@dsblk93gt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dsblk93gt)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/222 "2011-01-27T18:05:06Z")
> [@Black Friday](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/black-friday/39141/32): > > the n/a 4.6 TFS headed SOHC making high 300 wheel is not impressivce to us ls1/lsx fan boi moes tho.(or really to anyone or for any car snce now days standard seems to be 500wheel and even thats slow:Idiots) a cam only ls1 can easily 4-420 rwhp n/a, while not many but some do heads only and are at the 400 mark. now a GREAT combo of both head and cam only can put a ls1 at 480-500 whp. while fords have always had better rears and gm’s have not, stock rears have been into the 10s and better, some are freaks and hold lots of power, but i wil agree with the fact some cant even hold stock power 500rwhp will power a foxbody into the 10’s with ease and more than enough on the street. In a heavier car it may not be a lot of power but that’s why dynos don’t win races. There are WAY more factors that come into play. I have been going to the track for along time and I have seen 400rwhp cars spank 500+rwhp cars. That is why most guys serious about racing and getting good track times don’t spend there time on a dyno. Hell, most of the fast cars at the track have never even hit a dyno, here is a guy I knows old 07 GT500… How much power does it make??? No clue, he races at the TRACK. Ran 9.87@140 with a stock engine and stock 6spd transmission. Rearend is a beefed up 8.8 Race weight around 3850lbs… [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/2/1/2118dbb75ccf454a5b71a190fb99db6bb9ec07ac.jpeg "Ted Lewchuk 9.87@140mph Shelby 2007") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NA6a2QWCQo) ---
**Author:** ![dsblk93gt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@dsblk93gt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dsblk93gt)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/223 "2011-01-27T18:12:21Z")
And regardless of how anemic everyone thinks the 4.6 SOHC is I have seen them run mid 12’s with untouched engines. Power to weight, gearing, etc. ---
**Author:** ![LS\_WS.6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ls_ws.6/32/6563_2.png) [@LS\_WS.6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LS_WS.6)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/224 "2011-01-27T18:12:46Z")
> [@Dodge 1500 Cummins - Should I buy in 2 yrs?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-1500-cummins-should-i-buy-in-2-yrs/39063/16): > > 500rwhp will power a foxbody into the 10’s with ease and more than enough on the street. In a heavier car it may not be a lot of power but that’s why dynos don’t win races. There are WAY more factors that come into play. I have been going to the track for along time and I have seen 400rwhp cars spank 500+rwhp cars. That is why most guys serious about racing and getting good track times don’t spend there time on a dyno. Hell, most of the fast cars at the track have never even hit a dyno, here is a guy I knows old 07 GT500… > > How much power does it make??? No clue, he races at the TRACK. Ran 9.87@140 with a stock engine and stock 6spd transmission. Rearend is a beefed up 8.8 > > Race weight around 3850lbs… > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NA6a2QWCQo](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NA6a2QWCQo) yea that car runs strong i love it! dyno’s are just good for a base line and estimate on power but a good devide to tune the way ur vehicle runs. 500whp NA in most cars will get you in 10’s and im talking sports cars, not a 1950’s led sled. we all have full race weight cars for the most part, i was just sayn a ls1 can make 500 with head cam and mayb and intake and run 10s with full interior and supporting mod such as a 12b or 9. i dont know of many head cam mustangs intake mustangs at full weight running times like that, and yes i know a fox is light and awesome but a stock fox body 5.0. h/c/i in the 10s?(im only talking stock b/c 99% of us have stock/factory motors) ---
**Author:** ![dsblk93gt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@dsblk93gt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dsblk93gt)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/225 "2011-01-27T18:25:34Z")
> [@Top Gear on BBC America](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/top-gear-on-bbc-america/34494/21): > > yea that car runs strong i love it! dyno’s are just good for a base line and estimate on power but a good devide to tune the way ur vehicle runs. 500whp NA in most cars will get you in 10’s and im talking sports cars, not a 1950’s led sled. we all have full race weight cars for the most part, i was just sayn a ls1 can make 500 with head cam and mayb and intake and run 10s with full interior and supporting mod such as a 12b or 9. i dont know of many head cam mustangs intake mustangs at full weight running times like that, and yes i know a fox is light and awesome but a stock fox body 5.0. h/c/i in the 10s?(im only talking stock b/c 99% of us have stock/factory motors) H/C/I in 10’s with a foxbody I have seen, but it takes some weight removal and spinning the stock shortblock pretty high. A 60’s design 5.0 engine is not really a fair comparison to a newer tech LS1 that has more cubes and better flowing heads stock. There are 351 powered foxbodys in the LOW 10’s NA with 351w and 351c based engines. There are actually some 351c powered foxbodys in the low 10’s with STOCK heads still. 10.59@126 with a stock bottom end and all off the shelf parts… [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/2/6/26beea9ec62a9d207a34fd36c04bbbc2e83e5790.jpeg "Pure Stock best track times for 2008") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2SCvFZuC8) ---
**Author:** ![LS\_WS.6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ls_ws.6/32/6563_2.png) [@LS\_WS.6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LS_WS.6)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/226 "2011-01-27T18:28:09Z")
> [@dsblk93gt"](#): > > H/C/I in 10’s with a foxbody I have seen, but it takes some weight removal and spinning the stock shortblock pretty high. A 60’s design 5.0 engine is not really a fair comparison to a newer tech LS1 that has more cubes and better flowing heads stock. There are 351 powered foxbodys in the LOW 10’s NA with 351w and 351c based engines. There are actually some 351c powered foxbodys in the low 10’s with STOCK heads still. > > 10.59@126 with a stock bottom end and all off the shelf parts… > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2SCvFZuC8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k2SCvFZuC8) lol ok well lets talk year for year ls1 vs 4.6 to keep it clear, 99-2002 ls1 trans am/z28 vs 99-02 gt h/c/i… ---
**Author:** ![dsblk93gt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@dsblk93gt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dsblk93gt)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/227 "2011-01-27T18:28:43Z")
That GT500 above had the “small” TVS2300 too, spanks most of the big blower GT500 times out there. He has a 2010 GT500 now, he ran 10.88@129 with exhaust/gears/wheels/slicks, STOCK tune, STOCK pulley, fastest stock pulley/blower GT500 so far. I was there and got his 10.89 run too. ---
**Author:** ![dsblk93gt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@dsblk93gt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dsblk93gt)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/228 "2011-01-27T18:37:59Z")
> [@Feeler: Nintendo Wii](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/feeler-nintendo-wii/38327/22): > > lol ok well lets talk year for year ls1 vs 4.6 to keep it clear, 99-2002 ls1 trans am/z28 vs 99-02 gt h/c/i… LOL, well I know there are more higher powered ones now that the TFS heads are out. The stock heads are not the best. The stock 4V heads were decent but the new 5.0 DOHC heads are killer, probably the best ever stock head period on a Mustang. It flows around 350cfm on the intake side which is more than pretty much any stock head out there, Ford or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![SSmokinn\_SS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@SSmokinn\_SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SSmokinn_SS)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/229 "2011-01-27T18:43:48Z")
my lil old cam only ls1 made 412rwhp… and its still slow. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/230 "2011-01-27T19:21:25Z")
h/c/i/built motor = 13.7 @ 104 ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/231 "2011-01-27T19:38:07Z")
> [@STi vs civic vs GTi (NSFW on post #222)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sti-vs-civic-vs-gti-nsfw-on-post-222/38452/123): > > h/c/i/built motor = 13.7 @ 104 because you’re setup, like many others isn’t optimized. And you can’t drive it lol ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/232 "2011-01-27T19:39:49Z")
car sucks, end of story. Thats why if for some stupid reason I keep it I want to make it handle. ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/233 "2011-01-27T19:41:19Z")
> [@\--Official ATV Meet Thread--](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-atv-meet-thread/27577/11): > > LOL, well I know there are more higher powered ones now that the TFS heads are out. The stock heads are not the best. The stock 4V heads were decent but the new 5.0 DOHC heads are killer, probably the best ever stock head period on a Mustang. It flows around 350cfm on the intake side which is more than pretty much any stock head out there, Ford or otherwise. The TFS heads are the best thing that ever happened to the 2V’s, I’d love to do a N/A 2V’S build someday to shut the haters up! ---
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/234 "2011-01-27T20:38:09Z")
muussstttaaanggsssss ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/235 "2011-01-27T21:13:30Z")
what are tfs heads ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/236 "2011-01-27T21:16:51Z")
Trick Flow ---
**Author:** ![car\_ramrod](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/car_ramrod/32/6441_2.png) [@car\_ramrod](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/car_ramrod)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/237 "2011-01-28T10:16:58Z")
all this domestic jargon makes my wiener hurt ---
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/238 "2011-01-28T11:51:04Z")
All F-Bodies have Dixie cup and toothpick suspension as depicted below. ---
**Author:** ![IOM\_G8\_GT\_888](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f8ce5/32.png) [@IOM\_G8\_GT\_888](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IOM_G8_GT_888)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/239 "2011-01-28T11:57:46Z")
Look like an RC car now haha ---
**Author:** ![dsblk93gt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@dsblk93gt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dsblk93gt)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550/240 "2011-01-28T15:53:21Z")
Well domestic cars can’t handle anyways according to most of the kids I talk too. From some of the things I hear I might as well just leave the steering wheel locked with the key in the off position before entering a turn. A lot of people are stuck in the 80’s as far as domestic knowledge goes. Anyone catch the forum wars where the Mustang killed on the track? [http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/mustang-wins-opening-episode-forum-wars-5241.html](http://www.streetlegaltv.com/forum/mustang-wins-opening-episode-forum-wars-5241.html) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/camaro-vs-mustang-facepalm-thread-split/256550.md?page=13)