# CAP AND TRADE THREAD **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [June 26, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738 "2009-06-26T12:02:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/41 "2009-06-27T19:02:12Z")
Vote Renzo Countdown until Obama leaves Office term 1 1302 Days, 15 Hours, 57 Minutes, 17 Seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/42 "2009-06-27T23:36:10Z")
Now you know how we felt the last 8 years 🙂 🎻 ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/43 "2009-06-28T03:54:41Z")
You may not have liked it but, at least Bush and The Republicans didn’t try to take EVERYTHING you have. Were you in desperate need of welfare or something? How did Bush effect your life that much? Were you in Iraq? Saying “Now you know how we we felt” is the biggest fucking joke ever. If Bush completely stopped welfare and made you go to Iraq and church then I might just say, “Yeah, I hear you” but nothing even close to that happened so basically, fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/44 "2009-06-28T05:25:12Z")
lol you two are so cute. Anyhoo, the only way to put a dent in global warming (if it exists) IMHO is to wait for the inevitable population crash. The doomsday bug is here, it’s called “human.” We’re steadily eating away all our resources. IIRC the topsoil loses about a foot of thickness per year in the midwest, the water table in China is 50 feet lower than it was 50 years ago, etc. I don’t remember those exact numbers, but that’s somewhere on the correct order. The global warming problem is caused overpopulation, not burning greenhouse gases. That’s an effect, not a root cause. Not that this bill is about that, it’s about politics and economics. I haven’t read it yet (and don’t trust an analysis from a news network farther than I can throw it) so I’ll save my judgment until after I have read it for myself. Just like you guys do, right? ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/45 "2009-06-28T07:26:07Z")
> Not that this bill is about that, it’s about politics and economics. I haven’t read it yet (and don’t trust an analysis from ANY news network farther than I can throw it) so I’ll save my judgment until after I have read it for myself. Just like you guys do, right? fixed the problem with the human factor is just that, we are human. and no one will let a mass of people die. there will always be scientists trying to solve the next problem we have and most likely will be successful. (i hope lol). i think this bill is mixture of good intentions, back door handshakes, and socialist health care cost reduction. edit: where the fuck did fry’s post go? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/46 "2009-06-28T09:39:28Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > You may not have liked it but, at least Bush and The Republicans didn’t try to take EVERYTHING you have. Were you in desperate need of welfare or something? How did Bush effect your life that much? Were you in Iraq? Saying “Now you know how we we felt” is the biggest fucking joke ever. If Bush completely stopped welfare and made you go to Iraq and church then I might just say, “Yeah, I hear you” but nothing even close to that happened so basically, fuck off. Hey Chicken Little, You said the same thing was going to happen to you from the financial bailout. And the stimulus plan. And New York raising the minimum wage. And 20 other other things. The sky is not falling. You will be fine. Quit pre-emptively calling the government “taking EVERYTHING you have” because it just makes you look stupid when you’re wrong. And in terms of what Bush did, he got some of my friends killed in Iraq, made it damn harder for my sick relatives whose best chance at a cure is stem cells, helped the economy go to shit and made it much harder for me to find a job when I finished school, not to mention CAUSED the necessity for so much government intervention that you hate so much. Not to mention underfunding my mom’s school with his stupid fucking NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND to the point that it was easier to take early retirement than try to teach 35 kids with 12 languages at a time, and made every international vacation I went on in that timeframe just a little bit more unpleasant when the rest of the world fucking hated us until it got out that I despised my leader. So yes, Bush did directly affect my life, a hell of a lot more than Obama is impacting yours right now. ---
**Author:** ![Toda\_Party](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/toda_party/32/7354_2.png) [@Toda\_Party](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Toda_Party)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2009, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/47 "2009-06-28T10:37:26Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > uh, yes. Do you even know what the Heritage Foundation is? > Off their web site: > The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank created to formulate and promote conservative public policy research and analysis. :mamoru: ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/48 "2009-06-30T06:53:47Z")
From a Conservative Action Alert email… Obama Lies Democrats Raise Taxes A TAX INCREASE OF HISTORIC PROPORTIONS EVERYONE WHO FLIPS ON A LIGHT SWITCH MUST PAY Turning on the Light = Cap and Trade = Democrat Tax Increase On Friday, Pelosi and the Democrats in the House ignored American voters and listened to Obama and Gore as they lobbied for and passed the biggest tax increase in history that is estimated to increase energy costs per family by $1,600 to $3,200 each year. OBAMA’S promise “I pledge. No family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.” Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, NOT ANY OF YOUR TAXES." Obama promised over and over that he would cut taxes for the 95% of Americans making less than $250,000 per year during the campaign last year, in the debates, in speeches and now he lobbied for and got step one of his historic regressive tax increase on 100% of America, even those not paying income tax. Obama Campaigned On False Pretenses And Must Be Stopped. He pledged that his tax increases would only apply to the top 5% of Americans making over $250,000. Yet Obama fully supported passage of the House “Energy TAX” bill that taxes everyone that just flips on a light switch. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/49 "2009-06-30T06:58:35Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > From a Conservative Action Alert email… I stopped reading here. Your post has already been discredited. I swear, I need to sign you up for [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) and [truemajority.org](http://truemajority.org) just so you can get crazy partisan spin from both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/50 "2009-06-30T07:02:20Z")
^What part of that is spin? He lied and is pushing a gigantic tax through for everyone that uses electricity. WHERE IS THE FUCKING SPIN? Are you saying it is not true? If you can’t see what is going on here, you seriously are drinking the purple kool aid. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/51 "2009-06-30T07:07:36Z")
The whole thing. Particularly the part about 1600 to 3200 a year. Not to mention this bill isn’t even going to hit the Senate until the fall, and is expected to be drastically overhauled, with cap and trade the most likely thing to go. > [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > From a Conservative Action Alert email… > > **Obama Lies** **Democrats Raise Taxes** > > **A TAX INCREASE OF HISTORIC PROPORTIONS** > > **EVERYONE WHO FLIPS ON A LIGHT SWITCH MUST PAY** > > Turning on the Light = **Cap and Trade = Democrat Tax Increase** > > On Friday, Pelosi and the Democrats in the House **ignored American voters** and **listened to Obama and Gore** as they lobbied for and passed the **biggest tax increase in history** that is estimated to **increase energy costs per family by $1,600 to $3,200 each year.** > > OBAMA’S promise “I pledge. No family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase.” Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, NOT ANY OF YOUR TAXES." > > Obama promised over and over that he would cut taxes for the 95% of Americans making less than $250,000 per year during the campaign last year, in the debates, in speeches and now he lobbied for and got step one of his **historic regressive tax increase** ( INCREASE? WAT?) on **100% of America, even those not paying income tax.** > > **Obama Campaigned On False Pretenses And Must Be Stopped.** > > He pledged that his tax increases would only apply to the top 5% of Americans making over $250,000. Yet Obama fully supported passage of the House “Energy TAX” bill that **taxes everyone that just flips on a light switch**. I highlighted the spin in that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/52 "2009-06-30T07:12:36Z")
Your predictions do not make what has actually happened “spin”. OBAMA LIED ABOUT TAXES. FACT. And remember, I laughed at you naive children that honestly thought he wouldn’t push for a raise in taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/53 "2009-06-30T07:13:48Z")
False. A tax increase is when we say “This rate is now going to be this higher rate.” or “This is going to be taxed now when it wasnt.” Not “If your power company pollutes too much they’re going to have to buy credits to do so.” ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/54 "2009-06-30T07:15:13Z")
You are a retard. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/55 "2009-06-30T07:15:45Z")
Want to take IQ tests and compare? I know you get extra points for senility but still. I hope they pass a “my dad gave me a company” tax next. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/56 "2009-06-30T07:16:51Z")
Seriously, you are a retard. I don’t normally resort to name calling but… ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/57 "2009-06-30T07:18:02Z")
OK. Callout. IQ Tests. Lower score pays the higher one’s test fee plus $100. ---
**Author:** ![Janus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c2a13f/32.png) [@Janus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Janus)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/58 "2009-06-30T07:25:59Z")
:tup: ^ sounds fun. on the topic of the emmissions… My buddy is currently working for a start up company out in san jose thats pioneering a technology in a filter which sits in the stacks of factories and is able to ulilize sea water in a steaming action to convert the CO2 in the exhaust into a mineral deposit that when collected, can be turned into concrete (more or less). Its a neat thought so long as its not cost prohibitive, because it can work to lower the companies CO2 output by changing its composition. They’ll also have a marketable by-product. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/59 "2009-06-30T07:27:54Z")
That is the type of thing that will never come to prominence unless something like this legislation forces the companies’ innovation hand. What’s the company name? ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2009, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738/60 "2009-06-30T07:29:12Z")
So we made it more expensive to make products here in the U.S., and have given Wall Street yet another non-tangible item to trade/made money on. How is this going to make jobs jobs jobs, other than in China China China? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cap-and-trade-thread/69738.md?page=4)