# Capitalism and Free Markets... **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 10, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705 "2008-12-10T13:54:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/1 "2008-12-10T13:54:13Z")
…have no place in America anymore apparently. Discuss. ![http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3196/cid08cd01c95aef4ecf1e90vw7.jpg](http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3196/cid08cd01c95aef4ecf1e90vw7.jpg) Always read the fine print. ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/2 "2008-12-10T13:58:37Z")
I think it’s BS. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/3 "2008-12-10T14:36:45Z")
Shit like this makes me not want to buy another american car. ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/4 "2008-12-10T14:53:59Z")
what’s funny about that “ad” was GM owned a % of subaru… i think we need a bailout of student loans next while we’re at it… ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/5 "2008-12-10T15:52:11Z")
My last three purchases were American. ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/6 "2008-12-10T15:55:51Z")
i have bought plenty of american cars, but never from the dealership ---
**Author:** ![stockcarboy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stockcarboy/32/6303_2.png) [@stockcarboy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/stockcarboy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/7 "2008-12-10T16:54:34Z")
If they didnt pay people to do nothing but play cards in the union hall because there in a union untill they retire . :eek ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/8 "2008-12-10T16:59:47Z")
junk, junk, and junk. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/9 "2008-12-10T17:41:18Z")
> [@crxgator](#): > > i think we need a bailout of student loans next while we’re at it… :rofl Freaking +1. I want some of that redistributed wealth too. ---
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/10 "2008-12-10T19:36:00Z")
Ahhhhhh. Soo…anyone up for a trip to deutschland? I’m down for another german car about now. Unfortunately that ad is a waste of whatever it’s printed on, be it paper or bandwidth. Oh well… ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/11 "2008-12-10T19:58:34Z")
First you beat me at GPNY, next you beat me to post this thread with the same picture :angry2 :headbang > [@crxgator](#): > > i think we need a bailout of student loans next while we’re at it… Crxgator for president! ---
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/12 "2008-12-10T20:17:53Z")
> A number of Ford-brand enthusiast sites today revealed that at least one other site, TheRangerStation, has received a letter from a law firm claiming to represent the Blue Oval, demanding that they relinquish any domain names with Ford brands in them, as well as turn over for destruction all merchandise with Ford logos, in addition to demanding $5,000 for trademark infringement. New updates on the issue from Ford reveal that the root cause of the matter is the alleged sale of counterfeit Ford goods, including a range of decals and logos using Ford trademarks. > Dear Member, > I appologize for this email. I don’t normally email the members but this is an emergency. > Today, (December 9, 2008) I received a letter from the law offices of Howard, Phillips & Andersen that represent the Ford Motor Company. Ford is forcing us to surrender the name ‘[therangerstation.com](http://therangerstation.com)’ to them and stop using it. Ford states that using the name ‘Ranger’ when used in reference to the Ford Ranger is a trademark violation. In addition they are wanting me to pay them $5,000. > As you may know, The Ranger Station has been around for the past 10 years and has been a valuable resource to Ranger enthusiasts. > If Ford does this to us, where will they stop? > I have 10-days to surrender the name and pay them $5,000. I’m asking that you contact Ford online and ask them to reconsider making us change our name and prohibiting us from using the word ‘Ranger’. > You can contact them at: > [https://secure.ford.com/footer/conta](https://secure.ford.com/footer/conta)…=PublicAffairs > a sample of what one of the members wrote is: > "To whom it may concern: > I am writing concerning your recent legal attacks on various “fan” websites for vehicles such as the Mustang and Ranger. I am insulted by this careless misuse of our legal system and am reconsidering any further vehicle purchases from your company until you cease and desist from any further legal action concerning this subject. I have been a Ford owner for many years and I had hoped to stay that way. These attacks are morally wrong since they are geared towards your customers, and do not instill the least bit of confidence in your brand. For the sake of your business, I ask you to please reconsider immediately. > Thank you." > Thank you for your support and I applogize for this email. > Jim Oaks > [TheRangerStation.com](http://TheRangerStation.com) [http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/mustang-lounge/146347-i-love-ford-products-but.html](http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/mustang-lounge/146347-i-love-ford-products-but.html) [http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2006/06/EditorsCorner/index.php](http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2006/06/EditorsCorner/index.php) [http://www.motorauthority.com/ford-attacks-fan-sites-for-trademark-violations.html](http://www.motorauthority.com/ford-attacks-fan-sites-for-trademark-violations.html) [http://www.behindthebuzz.com/black-mustang-club-and-ford/](http://www.behindthebuzz.com/black-mustang-club-and-ford/) > **[Ford goes after Ranger fan site for trademark violation - Autoblog](http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/10/ford-lawyers-go-after-ranger-fan-site-for-trademark-violation/)** > > As if Ford didn't have enough bad PR today after a South Carolinian dealer shout his mouth off on the radio. Now comes word that fan site TheRangerStatio I guess they think they found a new way to make money. …well at least $5k ---
**Author:** ![Cliff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/13 "2008-12-10T20:26:38Z")
Didn’t Ford attempt to sue individuals for taking pictures of their cars as well?? ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/14 "2008-12-10T20:26:46Z")
A lot of speculation that this money is just for the year and they will need more. If done right, this might be a profit for us as it IS a loan but that’s a joke. ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/15 "2008-12-10T20:28:53Z")
Wow! That sucks… :confused ---
**Author:** ![Cliff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@Cliff](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cliff)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/16 "2008-12-10T20:29:27Z")
> [@Cliff](#): > > Didn’t Ford attempt to sue individuals for taking pictures of their cars as well?? Found the link pertaining to what I was talking about. > **[Ford: Car owners are pirates if they distribute pictures of their own cars](https://boingboing.net/2008/01/13/ford-car-owners-are.html)** > > Josh sez, "The folks at BMC (Black Mustang Club) automotive forum wanted to put together a calendar featuring members' cars, and print it through CafePress. Photos were submitted, the layout… ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/17 "2008-12-11T08:20:09Z")
Just like NYS, they make dumbass short term decissions they can profit from now but loos money in again later. People buy for car or truck. People spend money on ford motorsports parts or aftermarket. People buy these parts based on these “fan based” websites. Lets work backwards now people. Take away the Fan based web sites and support, people dont buy the parts, and then people dont buy the cars! Simple 3rd grade logic. Not to mention, A standard lets say Ford Motorsports super charger kit is $5,900. I want a super charger. Do I call Ford “help desk” and ask them for information on thier parts? NO, I spend an hour online on a fan based website. I like what I see people talking about, realy world use of said product. Now I purchase the supercharger. If they sue for $5K, they actually loose $900 by my example. Not to mention, how many boards have members FROM the companies such as FORD. If they are smart they use these sites as public relations, R&D… just like a texting on a cellphone while driving ticket. Quick cash. Fucking lame, big wigs need to know how to use their heads. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/18 "2008-12-11T10:36:16Z")
I remember when Ford didn’t allow their employees to park at the factory unless they had a Ford vehicle. :ponder ---
**Author:** ![waltbabyluv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/waltbabyluv/32/6300_2.png) [@waltbabyluv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/waltbabyluv)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2008, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/capitalism-and-free-markets/240705/19 "2008-12-11T13:01:57Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > I remember when Ford didn’t allow their employees to park at the factory unless they had a Ford vehicle. :ponder I would never drive a american car.