# Carry on Campus: Where do you stand? **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 10, 2008, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022 "2008-03-10T09:09:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/121 "2008-03-11T10:03:06Z")
> :stillwaitingforyoutopointoutwhereitsaysstudywaspe rformedongradesk-12: It doesn’t need to specifically say it was for K-12- even the quickest read of the article shows it’s clearly oriented to K-12 school shootings. Check out the little kids on the cover page and the “School Crossing” signs posted throughout- along with the continous references to minors, their interactions with other minors, and their interactions with “adults”. > Also, these things come in waves. I doubt a civilian carrying a pistol would have helped when Whitman shot up the U of Texas Austin in the 60’s. True…but on the flipside, the two goons who were shooting up the street in Hollywood with AK-47s after robbing a bank were only stopped when a local gun store owner provided the police with civilian owned rifles to borrow. ---
**Author:** ![1st\_v-dub](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/ee7513/32.png) [@1st\_v-dub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1st_v-dub)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/122 "2008-03-11T10:10:18Z")
> [@Finish this joke](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finish-this-joke/35371/7): > > True…but on the flipside, the two goons who were shooting up the street in Hollywood with AK-47s after robbing a bank were only stopped when a local gun store owner provided the police with civilian owned rifles to borrow. I actually had to edit my post as I read a little more of the article. I’m starting to change my opinion… ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/123 "2008-03-11T10:43:49Z")
> [@Finish this joke](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finish-this-joke/35371/9): > > I actually had to edit my post as I read a little more of the article. I’m starting to change my opinion… I think of it this way… We trust other people all the time. Trust them not to rear-end us if we pull out when it’s a little too close to call. We trust the cabby not to drive off a bridge. We trust the chef didn’t poison our food, and we trust the people around us aren’t intent on doing us harm. Now when it comes to gun free zones, I’d like to trust that everyone is obeying that law, but we know it’s not that simple. I prefer to trust myself. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_showtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/124 "2008-03-11T11:38:29Z")
i can see both side & the positive & negatives of both some poeple are spooked more then others. like a discussion we had a while back about the hill district, & someone saying they are scared & carry when driving through. personally i have no problem going through the hill, eastlib, homewood/laketon/brushton, etc… some other member said he delivers to those areas all the time @ odd hours & have never felt threatened or @ risk. some people are victims & some are not…its just like when people say don’t act scared around a dog…cause they sense fear. certain people get preyed upon & others don’t. as far as personal experience…there has not be 1 time that i wished i had a gun, but there have been many times i’m glad i didn’t have one, cause i’d be in jail as we speak. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_showtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/125 "2008-03-11T11:45:21Z")
> [@NEED: a job!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-a-job/35334/21): > > but i still think a properly trained concealed weapons permit holder is a benifit to everyone including themselves. & here in lies the problem…the majority that would carry are not. plus there are gonna be tons of tough guys/hardasses (trained or not) that are gonna pull a gun on someone over a girlfriend dispute, dispute in the gym, @ a frat party, etc… ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/126 "2008-03-11T11:54:57Z")
> [@Ignore - No Longer For Sale](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ignore-no-longer-for-sale/35372/2): > > some other member said he delivers to those areas all the time @ odd hours & have never felt threatened or @ risk. I see what you’re saying, but I don’t think one must “feel threatened” in order to be in danger. I have never understood that concept the I “feel safe” in Oakland/Compton/Brooklyn, etc mentality. I am a little too objective for that. There are many potential risk factors in any situation, and I tend to look at every situation from that perspective. I don’t necessarily feel at risk on an airplane, but I understand the risks that exist when boarding a plan with 100 strangers. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/127 "2008-03-11T12:31:23Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/35149/116): > > guns in school aside i too think this is a good idea. i also know an idiot with a permit (thankfully she doesnt own an actual gun yet) who cant even drive her car. also for the record I own two guns and am not against guns as a whole…only in the classroom. my point of arguing isnt to try and say guns are bad blah blha blha and take away rights, i just think another alternative can be found. everyone on here is preaching about the gun owners rights to carry in the class room, but what about the guy next to you’s rights as a non gun owner… what if he feels so incredibly uncomfortable sitting there knowing that half the class is carrying that it affects his learning. learning that is costing him / her thousands of dollars per semester. There is no amendment to the constitution guaranteeing you the right to sit in a classroom full of unarmed people. ---
**Author:** ![2toneishot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2toneishot/32/6010_2.png) [@2toneishot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2toneishot)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/128 "2008-03-11T12:32:53Z")
> [@Sneaker Geeks](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sneaker-geeks/32103/136): > > There is no amendment to the constitution guaranteeing you the right to sit in a classroom full of unarmed people. Maybe there should be…in fact maybe i should make a thread whining and crying about it while in fact doing nothing about it… or heres a thought, lets follow to a T something that was put into effect 220 some odd years ago… cause clearly nothing about the united states has changed in that amount of time that might mean a change is necessary. the USA is an ever changing society and our laws need to keep up with it… and certain rights given to us 221 years ago may or may not have been taken advantage of and in need of some change. like i said 458 posts ago, im all for carrying and rights blah blah blah… just not in the classroom. and apparently alot of ppl agree with me b/c its law. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/129 "2008-03-11T12:37:24Z")
> [@THE CHAMPAGNE RUN HAS MOVED TO ECCN!!!!!!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-champagne-run-has-moved-to-eccn/35298/40): > > what makes a class room different than anything else thou?.. its really no different than goin to the movies. lets not treat a college “classroom” like its elementary school. if the guy next to you is uncomfortable then he’s going to fail greatly in life. college is about learning much more than whats in the books. most of the time you can’t even tell who’s carrying. the same amount of worry exists already, you dont know what crazy person has a gun on them, his level of comfort should be about the same. i could be uncomfortable some sitting next to me is arabian… they can;t kick him outta class can they? no… where is the ACLU for the gun owners? …they are a joke, they only protect what suits a liberal agenda. normally I would stick up for the ACLU, but i think they are flat out wrong for staying neutral on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/130 "2008-03-11T12:44:07Z")
> [@bikers messing with me anyone here?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bikers-messing-with-me-anyone-here/35329/19): > > Maybe there should be…in fact maybe i should make a thread whining and crying about it while in fact doing nothing about it… or heres a thought, lets follow to a T something that was put into effect 220 some odd years ago… cause clearly nothing about the united states has changed in that amount of time that might mean a change is necessary. the USA is an ever changing society and our laws need to keep up with it… and certain rights given to us 221 years ago may or may not have been taken advantage of and in need of some change. like i said 458 posts ago, im all for carrying and rights blah blah blah… just not in the classroom. and apparently alot of ppl agree with me b/c its law. A lot of people are idiots. Please fucking explain to me why you can have a gun when you’re in the grocery store, at the movies, at the mall, in church, at most sporting events, etc… but when people are sitting down listening to some asshole tell them what is what, guns have to be banned. Its stupid. It’s pointless. It’s a result of asshole politicians trying to look “tough on crime”, and it’s a byproduct of America’s obsession with overprotecting children. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/131 "2008-03-11T12:54:40Z")
> [@bikers messing with me anyone here?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bikers-messing-with-me-anyone-here/35329/19): > > Maybe there should be…in fact maybe i should make a thread whining and crying about it while in fact doing nothing about it… If that was directed at me…I’m a lifetime NRA member. If you’re truly against guns you could join up with the Brady campaign, but I feel dirty even mentioning their name. ---
**Author:** ![2toneishot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2toneishot/32/6010_2.png) [@2toneishot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2toneishot)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/132 "2008-03-11T12:55:53Z")
> [@Cruise & Info for September 14th Track Day](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cruise-info-for-september-14th-track-day/34481/95): > > A lot of people are idiots. Please fucking explain to me why you can have a gun when you’re in the grocery store, at the movies, at the mall, in church, at most sporting events, etc… but when people are sitting down listening to some asshole tell them what is what, guns have to be banned. > > Its stupid. It’s pointless. It’s a result of asshole politicians trying to look “tough on crime”, and it’s a byproduct of America’s obsession with overprotecting children. ok your right and while were at it why dont we just start lettign ppl carry guns on airplanes too… more ppl have died due to terroristic activity on airplanes in the last decade than have died in school shootings on college campuses… and im sure it could have been avoided if ppl were allowed to carry on the airplane… so why dont we just go ahead and allow that too! im sure the world will be a safer place. ---
**Author:** ![2toneishot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2toneishot/32/6010_2.png) [@2toneishot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2toneishot)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/133 "2008-03-11T12:56:51Z")
> [@FS: x-box 360 elite](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-x-box-360-elite/34638/16): > > If that was directed at me…I’m a lifetime NRA member. If you’re truly against guns you could join up with the Brady campaign, but I feel dirty even mentioning their name. it wasnt directed at you adn ive stated before in this thread that im not against guns in general and i do own guns myself! your missing my argument completely! ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/134 "2008-03-11T12:59:42Z")
> [@Cruise & Info for September 14th Track Day](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cruise-info-for-september-14th-track-day/34481/95): > > and it’s a byproduct of America’s obsession with overprotecting children. amen to that… that why kids are all growing up to be whinny fudge packers… oh no we gotta put padding on the play ground, oh no we gotta use soft baseballs, oh no we gotta get rid of bugs bunny cause he’s too violent. etc etc… fuck maaaan most of us grew up playing in the dirt, watching looney toons and playing real sports with real rules and real balls. now they dont even keep score in some leagues because some kid might cry! the wussification of america is its damnation. people can’t stomach anything anymore. by the time these kids now grow up they gonna think they need to poke a hole in a tree and make love to it. lets be green, everyone be nice, etc etc :grouphug: \<---- this doesn;t work not everyone has to like everyone. teach the ABC’s, 123’s , the 50 states etc etc… dont pollute them with political bull shit. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/135 "2008-03-11T13:25:44Z")
> [@Happy birthday Napa man](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/happy-birthday-napa-man/35366/10): > > ok your right and while were at it why dont we just start lettign ppl carry guns on airplanes too… more ppl have died due to terroristic activity on airplanes in the last decade than have died in school shootings on college campuses… and im sure it could have been avoided if ppl were allowed to carry on the airplane… so why dont we just go ahead and allow that too! im sure the world will be a safer place. I would have no problem with that whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/136 "2008-03-11T13:26:33Z")
> [@2toneishot"](#): > > it wasnt directed at you adn ive stated before in this thread that im not against guns in general and i do own guns myself! your missing my argument completely! no, like me he thinks your argument is fucking retarded. And you still havent answered my question. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/137 "2008-03-11T13:29:18Z")
> [@honda thermostat?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/honda-thermostat/35377/2): > > amen to that… that why kids are all growing up to be whinny fudge packers… oh no we gotta put padding on the play ground, oh no we gotta use soft baseballs, oh no we gotta get rid of bugs bunny cause he’s too violent. etc etc… fuck maaaan most of us grew up playing in the dirt, watching looney toons and playing real sports with real rules and real balls. now they dont even keep score in some leagues because some kid might cry! the wussification of america is its damnation. people can’t stomach anything anymore. by the time these kids now grow up they gonna think they need to poke a hole in a tree and make love to it. lets be green, everyone be nice, etc etc :grouphug: \<---- this doesn;t work not everyone has to like everyone. > > teach the ABC’s, 123’s , the 50 states etc etc… dont pollute them with political bull shit. georgecarlin.wmv ---
**Author:** ![2toneishot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2toneishot/32/6010_2.png) [@2toneishot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2toneishot)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/138 "2008-03-11T13:29:58Z")
> [@Club Vodka - Grand Opening](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/club-vodka-grand-opening/35305/28): > > no, like me he thinks your argument is fucking retarded. And you still havent answered my question. well think what you want but it is what it is… and for the last fucking time i will not give you any manlove! ask chad! ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/139 "2008-03-11T13:32:52Z")
> [@Wireless switch?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wireless-switch/35375/3): > > well think what you want but it is what it is… and for the last fucking time i will not give you any manlove! ask chad! > Please fucking explain to me why you can have a gun when you’re in the grocery store, at the movies, at the mall, in church, at most sporting events, etc… but when people are sitting down listening to some asshole tell them what is what, guns have to be banned. … ---
**Author:** ![2toneishot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2toneishot/32/6010_2.png) [@2toneishot](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2toneishot)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022/140 "2008-03-11T13:47:03Z")
> [@Darkstar"](#): > > … pleae read my previous posts…you will have your answer… its not the answer you want to hear and want everyone to accept but its a VALID answer, and one shared by the majority. after all if it wasnt, then youd have your way and the US would become even more retarded. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/carry-on-campus-where-do-you-stand/196022.md?page=8)