# Cars & Coffee @ Eastern Hills Mall (NOT run by Matt) **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [March 28, 2014, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790 "2014-03-28T08:42:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![jay\_g](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jay_g/32/111288_2.png) [@jay\_g](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jay_g)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/821 "2016-04-19T09:16:29Z")
Is this a real car show and the plaza is closed off for it? You cant just block cars from coming in and charge them because you want to have a meet. If I owned a store and found out you were charging and blocking normal customers I’d be pissed and would definitely put a stop to it. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/822 "2016-04-19T09:18:52Z")
[quote=“jay\_g,post:821,topic:268790"”] Is this a real car show and the plaza is closed off for it? You cant just block cars from coming in and charge them because you want to have a meet. If I owned a store and found out you were charging and blocking normal customers I’d be pissed and would definitely put a stop to it. [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/823 "2016-04-19T10:06:08Z")
> [@2TurboZ](#): > > Matt, > > Just give a shout out if you need financial assistance. I would gather even a gofundme page could cover your costs and perhaps put some $ in to the bank for future C&C events. > > I do have a thought if you could figure a way to do it. **Find a parking garage/ramp. This would mandate that you must have a spot to attend. It would be shaded, which is nice for some of us as the temps keep rising.** Of course, the restrooms/food/beverages could become a challenge with this, but I am betting there will be pros and cons to each option presented. > > I really do think that a donation to attend would be a positive move in sorting those that want to attend a better event, vs those that want the cruise nights that can be found any night of the week. Once again, the protection of the less than exotic / rare automobile creeps into the suggestion box. ---
**Author:** ![Quattro\_Krant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ac91a4/32.png) [@Quattro\_Krant](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quattro_Krant)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/824 "2016-04-19T10:38:01Z")
> [@XwalkerX](#): > > perhaps its not an issue out here because car culture is everywhere here? (meaning every weekend there are like 12807541280345801746 cars and coffee meets in the area) Or maybe people out on the west coast who do not get cooped up all winter feel the need to come to the first one after a long winter and act like a horses ass?? > [@ubengineering](#): > > Also is there any chance you could reuse the lot if you met with the owner and told them all the new stipulations you’d like to put in place?? Maybe I’m just biased because my breakfast sandwich, gelato and coffee were fucking delicious 1). Stipulations being that any car with a Hoonigan/monster energy sticker be run over by the bro dozers that show up. Take occupants out of both sets of vehicles and push them off a cliff. 2). The cookie Jr and I got from there was delicious as well 3). How are you so skinny with the shit you eat? ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/825 "2016-04-19T11:17:03Z")
Not married and no kids, all that extra time for cardio and madd reppage at the gym brogan. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/826 "2016-04-19T12:52:17Z")
> [@GV1390](#): > > - > - > - Updated - - - > > +1 on the GoFundMe. > > My breakfast croissant sandwhich was very hearty. @**[Minglor](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=669)** would agree, he fed it to me. Omg. Hot. ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/827 "2016-04-19T19:39:20Z")
Orchard park is the worst. I’m surprised it lasted as long as it did. They have killed off any and every car function even with permits. Looking forward to next month. ---
**Author:** ![camarojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c67d28/32.png) [@camarojoe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/camarojoe)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/828 "2016-04-19T20:32:28Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Don’t see why any of those places would want to put up with the hassle. > > They need to do what Texas does and charge $5-10 for entry and donate the money. Insurance & liability. You can’t just set up a spot and go with it. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/829 "2016-04-20T04:00:27Z")
> [@camarojoe](#): > > Insurance & liability. You can’t just set up a spot and go with it. I fully understand that concept I just meant doing the first part in addition to all the proper permitting to keep out junk and when you donate the money it makes the whole thing look better ---
**Author:** ![91MR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91mr2/32/7217_2.png) [@91MR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91MR2)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/830 "2016-04-20T05:55:39Z")
> [@camarojoe](#): > > Insurance & liability. You can’t just set up a spot and go with it. I honestly feel the need for insurance and liability drastically decreases when these events are without the shitheads… ---
**Author:** ![camarojoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c67d28/32.png) [@camarojoe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/camarojoe)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/831 "2016-04-20T06:23:53Z")
> [@91MR2](#): > > I honestly feel the need for insurance and liability drastically decreases when these events are without the shitheads… There is always one person or group responsible then. Would you like to take on that burden if the shitheads cause a problem? I’ve been running car shows and cruises for 25 years, I’ve been through it all. Charge $ and people won’t come. It will die a quick death. Limit who comes in, can’t do that since it is a public lot. That person with the rusted out shitty 93 Tercel, they are a customer. From the start, I knew that the OF lot would be too small for this cruise. You had people craving to come out for the first time, and word spread. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/832 "2016-04-20T06:37:16Z")
Find a cheap parking lot for sale and my LLC called “No Assets” will buy it and host Cars & Coffee. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/833 "2016-04-20T06:39:12Z")
Being that it seems the venue and crowd behavior are the two biggest issues, can we find an enthusiast who owns a business or location (i.e.: parking lot) that might be willing to host this? Insurances and such addressed but maybe someone who understands these events would better deal with the inevitable morons who’d attend, whether they’re wanted or not. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/834 "2016-04-20T06:47:32Z")
> [@camarojoe](#): > > There is always one person or group responsible then. Would you like to take on that burden if the shitheads cause a problem? > I’ve been running car shows and cruises for 25 years, I’ve been through it all. > > Charge $ and people won’t come. It will die a quick death. Limit who comes in, can’t do that since it is a public lot. That person with the rusted out shitty 93 Tercel, they are a customer. > From the start, I knew that the OF lot would be too small for this cruise. You had people craving to come out for the first time, and word spread. But it works in Texas and a number of other places… ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/835 "2016-04-20T06:48:08Z")
Probably a lot easier said than done. Most enthusiasts who are successful enough to own a business with a lot large enough to host something like this are smart enough to know it’s not worth the potential liability. If something serious happens insurance isn’t going to go far and any good ambulance chaser is going to file against anyone remotely involved, deepest pocketbooks first. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/836 "2016-04-20T06:48:17Z")
A good idea might be the transit drive in ---
**Author:** ![Minglor](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/minglor/32/7373_2.png) [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/837 "2016-04-20T06:57:15Z")
> [@camarojoe](#): > > There is always one person or group responsible then. Would you like to take on that burden if the shitheads cause a problem? > I’ve been running car shows and cruises for 25 years, I’ve been through it all. > > Charge $ and people won’t come. It will die a quick death. Limit who comes in, can’t do that since it is a public lot. That person with the rusted out shitty 93 Tercel, they are a customer. > From the start, I knew that the OF lot would be too small for this cruise. You had people craving to come out for the first time, and word spread. Didn’t panera bread use to do a cars and coffee style show with muscle cars…? They still so those? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/838 "2016-04-20T06:59:05Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > But it works in Texas and a number of other places… In NY it comes down to Peralta v Henriquez [http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1391165.html](http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1391165.html) The cliffs notes version of which is if the property owner opens that property to public access they have a legal requirement to make that property safe. (Yay, a chance to use my old FindLaw skills from college that I never get to use in my professional career!) ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/839 "2016-04-20T07:14:19Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > In NY it comes down to Peralta v Henriquez > [http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1391165.html](http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ny-court-of-appeals/1391165.html) > The cliffs notes version of which is if the property owner opens that property to public access they have a legal requirement to make that property safe. > (Yay, a chance to use my old FindLaw skills from college that I never get to use in my professional career!) I didn’t say don’t get insurance lol I was simply pointing out many places charge money to enter cars and coffee and still have great turn outs. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790/840 "2016-04-20T08:02:07Z")
Yeah, I’m just saying even if you come in with promises of insurance most business owners are still going to say it’s not worth the risk. Insurance it’s some magic wand that absolves the property owner of all liability. I think the key is finding a business that not only has a lot large enough to support it but one that also stands to profit from the increase in traffic (aka, forget the idea of empty lots at places that happened to be closed that day). RodandPiston does some meets at Texas Roadhouse near 425. I’m sure that’s profitable for Texas Roadhouse because the attendees and spectators would dine there and it’s typically a weeknight where they wouldn’t normally do big business. How much extra business did Orchard Fresh see? I’m sure it didn’t come close to offsetting what they lost in regular weekend business when their lot was full and cops showed up. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790.md?page=41) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cars-coffee-eastern-hills-mall-not-run-by-matt/268790.md?page=43)