# Cash for clunkers passed: $3000-$5000 Credit **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 16, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252 "2009-06-16T15:16:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/161 "2009-08-21T07:50:52Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Oh, and it’s great to see how this is a boon to the US economy, especially given that 58% of all the C4C cars were foreign (per Newsweek article today: [Was Cash for Clunkers Good for Detroit? - Newsweek](http://www.newsweek.com/id/212999)). So? 1. 42% of the number of cars sold isn’t exactly chump change. 2. Those “foreign” cars sold were built here by people living here and spending their paychecks here. The top 10, and where they are built: 1. Toyota Corolla (California & Canada) 2. Honda Civic (Indiana) 3. Ford Focus FWD (Michigan) 4. Toyota Camry (Kentucky, Indiana) 5. Toyota Prius (Japan, with a plant opening in Mississippi) 6. Hyundai Elantra (South Korea) 7. Ford Escape FWD (Kansas) 8. Honda Fit (Japan) 9. Nissan Versa (Mexico) 10. Honda CR-V 4WD (Ohio) Looks like a lot of money going to American workers building cars to me. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/162 "2009-08-21T08:17:53Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > 1. Ford Focus FWD (Michigan) Do they make the Focus in AWD?! If so I want one as much as I wanted an AWD SHO Powered Tempo. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/163 "2009-08-21T10:30:46Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > So?. **_1. 42% of the number of cars sold isn’t exactly chump change._** Which works out to about 151,000 cars - though I’d bet the small cars that have done well in this program (Focus, Cobalt and Caliber) aren’t profit leaders for the domestics. **_2. Those “foreign” cars sold were built here by people living here and spending their paychecks here._** The top 10, and where they are built: **_- Toyota Corolla (California & Canada) - Honda Civic (Indiana) - Ford Focus FWD (Michigan) - Toyota Camry (Kentucky, Indiana) - Toyota Prius (Japan, with a plant opening in Mississippi) - Hyundai Elantra (South Korea) - Ford Escape FWD (Kansas) - Honda Fit (Japan) - Nissan Versa (Mexico)_** 1. **_Honda CR-V 4WD (Ohio)_** I guess I was wrong - only _ **half** _ of the cars on the top-10 list are manufactured abroad. Toyota’s closing NUMMI, so any future Corrollas will be Canadian-made. And with their cash-burn, I don’t expect them to open the Mississippi plant anytime soon. **_Looks like a lot of money going to American workers building cars to me_** Dealers and distributors perhaps, but the manufacturing is where the real money is. And about $1B (my estimate) from CARS is going overseas. America can’t survive on a service-based economy alone. And I have a problem with the idea that American taxpayer money is being used to support manufacturing capabilities abroad. If we wanted to stimulate the economy and save the planet, I’d argue a better program would be to increase the gas tax $0.50/gal, and give an immediate rebate of $200 to anyone making less than $100k/yr. Arguably, it would be just as effective at stimulating spending, not creating additional public debt (by forcing the purchase of a NEW car), and reducing gasoline consumption than this CARS program is. And ultimately, I’d bet new-car demand will drop off significantly now that the program is done, as the economy as a whole really hasn’t gotten much better - especially in terms of jobs creation. Edit: New information as of today: Detroit’s percentage in this program has dropped to 41%. The current top-10 are: 1. Toyota Corolla (California & Canada) 2. Honda Civic (Indiana) 3. Ford Focus FWD (Michigan) 4. Toyota Camry (Kentucky, Indiana) 5. Hyundai Elantra (South Korea) 6. Toyota Prius (Japan, with a plant opening in Mississippi) 7. Nissan Versa (Mexico) 8. Ford Escape FWD (Kansas) 9. Honda Fit (Japan) 10. Honda CR-V 4WD (Ohio) And per Transportation Department records, 54% of these cars were “Made in the USA”, 46% were imported. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/164 "2009-08-27T12:51:27Z")
[http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/776410.html](http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/776410.html) :wtf: happened here Basil ---
**Author:** ![bigwoode](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigwoode/32/5175_2.png) [@bigwoode](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bigwoode)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/165 "2009-08-27T13:39:46Z")
:lol: at the resale center, never had a good experience with them ---
**Author:** ![Superium](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/superium/32/7405_2.png) [@Superium](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Superium)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/166 "2009-09-22T19:28:31Z")
Heres the list of all the cars traded in for the rebate. Quite a few that could of easily been saved and sold for way more if the dealerships were smart enough to resell them…oh well [http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf](http://www.cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/167 "2009-09-22T19:43:22Z")
ugh, I cant look at that list anymore. It disgusts me. a lot of cars dont even get worse than 18mpg. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/168 "2009-09-22T19:51:44Z")
I scrolled through a couple pages and saw a few cars that have a higher MPG than CARS were requiring. That list is screwed up. Seriously- An Aston Martin DB7? 2001+ S4 Audis? M Series BMWs turned in? Yea right, I’ll believe it when I see the video. Anyone who is dumb enough to turn in those cars to the CARS program couldn’t afford them to begin with. Unless the cars were towed in after being totaled, I don’t see these cars happening to be traded in for a prius. ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/169 "2009-09-22T19:56:10Z")
exactly. I got past the audis and onto the bmw’s and stopped. that list is bs. “not necessarily review or approved” they say. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/170 "2009-09-22T19:58:18Z")
Yea, its complete trash. Maybe that list is every car that was traded in DURING the C4C program? Its got 2008 Mustangs on it. Those definitely did not qualify. ---
**Author:** ![JDMSIR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdmsir/32/7376_2.png) [@JDMSIR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JDMSIR)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/171 "2009-09-22T21:30:23Z")
my 99 grand cherokee 4wd is not on there. ---
**Author:** ![Clean\_Baldy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/clean_baldy/32/7308_2.png) [@Clean\_Baldy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Clean_Baldy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/172 "2009-09-22T21:52:40Z")
I saw a 2005 RX-8, 2008 Saab 9-3 AWD Sedan, and a 2008 Scion xD I’m guessing that “We will take everything” might also include completely totaled vehicles that are unrepairable? I’m guessing that might be the case with some of the “nicer” vehicles. Just like that S4… maybe the engine is screwed/turbos done for/super high miles. ---
**Author:** ![\_Karu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/_karu/32/7602_2.png) [@\_Karu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_Karu)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/173 "2009-09-22T22:01:53Z")
so…when is the next cash for clunker program? 😉 [/sarcasm] ---
**Author:** ![Muckman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@Muckman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Muckman)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/174 "2009-09-22T23:31:45Z")
C4 vette clunked - [http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C4-Vette-Clunked\_702277.htm](http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C4-Vette-Clunked_702277.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/175 "2009-09-22T23:36:40Z")
he should have pegged it the whole time^ ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/176 "2009-09-23T04:38:29Z")
Many of those cars won’t qualify. How are they on the list? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/177 "2009-09-23T05:04:17Z")
How have the sales been since the program ended? I heard on the news this morning that automakers are increasing productions. I wouldn’t beleive it if I didn’t hear it myself. Who the f\*\*k is buying cars right now? ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/178 "2009-09-23T05:22:59Z")
The Govt of course. ---
**Author:** ![02NismoSpecV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/0/74df32/32.png) [@02NismoSpecV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/02NismoSpecV)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/179 "2009-09-23T06:20:32Z")
23 ford lightning trucks ☹ ---
**Author:** ![LUKE\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luke_l/32/7462_2.png) [@LUKE\_L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUKE_L)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252/180 "2009-09-23T06:53:02Z")
From what I have heard the clunkers program really put the screw on the Private Dealers. Prices shot up at auctions because you can’t find good cars anymore. IDK. Sucks for the “consumer” looking to buy a cheap DD/Beater. Good luck finding a used car with less than 100k-mi for under $5k. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cash-for-clunkers-passed-3000-5000-credit/69252.md?page=10)