# Change you can count on. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385 "2008-11-24T17:24:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![slwrthnu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slwrthnu/32/6296_2.png) [@slwrthnu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slwrthnu)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/21 "2008-11-25T08:54:18Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Breaking News: Politicians say a lot of shit to get into office. :lol man they should like go to jail for lying or somehting :lol ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@silverandslow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/22 "2008-11-26T15:11:16Z")
Wait, I was wrong…it isnt the Clinton Admin Part II Now he has one from the Carter Admin. :crackup :rofl ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/23 "2008-11-27T00:39:50Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > LOL Mother Russia’s propaganda is as bad as Shawn’s. :rofl word word and word ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/24 "2008-11-27T00:41:11Z")
> [@PJB](#): > > Anybody is better than Bush so things can only get better from here and your the authority. Mind boggles… things are going to get better??? What exactly do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![slwrthnu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slwrthnu/32/6296_2.png) [@slwrthnu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slwrthnu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/25 "2008-11-27T01:16:06Z")
> [@silverandslow](#): > > Wait, I was wrong…it isnt the Clinton Admin Part II > > Now he has one from the Carter Admin. :crackup :rofl omg omg omg…yea you still have yet to make a valid point. btw, i’m not for or against obama, just against idiots that blindly side with or against one political party and make reasonings like you do. holy fuck everyone that worked for clinton or carter has to be bad. yup, america, wonder why everyone laughs at us and my main news source isn’t from within the borders… ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/26 "2008-11-27T06:12:11Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > and your the authority. > > Mind boggles… things are going to get better??? > > What exactly do you mean? Well Obama atleast has plans to do stuff. Bush kinda did whatever he felt like doing. Hopefully atleast some of what Obama is promising happens like pulling the armed forces out of Iraq and stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/27 "2008-11-27T07:22:28Z")
> [@slwrthnu](#): > > omg omg omg…yea you still have yet to make a valid point. > > btw, i’m not for or against obama, just against idiots that blindly side with or against one political party and make reasonings like you do. holy fuck everyone that worked for clinton or carter has to be bad. > > yup, america, wonder why everyone laughs at us and my main news source isn’t from within the borders… Party centric is so fucking gay. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/28 "2008-11-27T07:50:40Z")
I think they should completely do away with political parties. Never gonna happen but it would change alot of things and certainly make things interesting. No more voting for somebody just because he’s from a certain party even though he’s a complete moron. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/29 "2008-11-27T08:02:24Z")
If people vote X because it mostly aligns with their views, that’s fine. But, it shouldn’t matter that they are X party. If your candidate is in Y party, vote for that candidate. It brings up another interesting concept, are you voting for party or candidate? To me, it’s purly candidates (Pres/VP). ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/30 "2008-11-27T08:04:36Z")
I only vote for candidates. I cant see voting down the line. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/31 "2008-11-27T08:07:19Z")
Same except this year out of anger. :lol ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@silverandslow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/32 "2008-11-27T09:19:58Z")
> [@slwrthnu](#): > > omg omg omg…yea you still have yet to make a valid point. > > btw, i’m not for or against obama, just against idiots that blindly side with or against one political party and make reasonings like you do. holy fuck everyone that worked for clinton or carter has to be bad. > > yup, america, wonder why everyone laughs at us and my main news source isn’t from within the borders… Well his slogan was that of changing the way politics works and such. Seems to me appointing mostly members that have already served on presidential administrations(“the old way”) isnt very much change. Sorry, I’ll state the obvious from now on when you can’t understand it. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@silverandslow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/33 "2008-11-27T09:22:23Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > If people vote X because it mostly aligns with their views, that’s fine. But, it shouldn’t matter that they are X party. If your candidate is in Y party, vote for that candidate. It brings up another interesting concept, are you voting for party or candidate? To me, it’s purly candidates (Pres/VP). Historically Deomcrats want bigger gov. and higher tax. Republicans smaller gov. and lower taxes. Bush is sort of a mutant waste of space so he isn’t included. If someone doesn’t beleive in bigger gov. why would they EVER vote democrat since thats a core belief of the party? ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/34 "2008-11-27T09:45:09Z")
> [@silverandslow](#): > > Historically Deomcrats want bigger gov. and higher tax. Republicans smaller gov. and lower taxes. Bush is sort of a mutant waste of space so he isn’t included. If someone doesn’t beleive in bigger gov. why would they EVER vote democrat since thats a core belief of the party? The simple fact that every person has their own ideals/values and ranks them accordingly. One or more of these values might be more favorable in the other candidates. To respond to your question, just because they believe in smaller gov’t, doesn’t mean that other issues are less important. This goes back to a previous debate where you seemed to know the why a voter voted. :nono Point in case, a very good friend of mine voted Republican several elections in a row. He voted Obama this time even though some of his ideals are still on the right-side. ---
**Author:** ![slwrthnu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slwrthnu/32/6296_2.png) [@slwrthnu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slwrthnu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/35 "2008-11-27T10:20:31Z")
> [@silverandslow](#): > > Well his slogan was that of changing the way politics works and such. Seems to me appointing mostly members that have already served on presidential administrations(“the old way”) isnt very much change. Sorry, I’ll state the obvious from now on when you can’t understand it. you really expected him to hire staff that has no politicial experience? or maybe you don’t understand that just cause they have served under other presidential administrations doesn’t mean they are gonna act the same way under the current one. sorry i’m not an idiot. you on the other hand, i worry about. well not really, i don’t care cause i enjoy when people like you try to make political points, i just sit back and laugh. ---
**Author:** ![slwrthnu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slwrthnu/32/6296_2.png) [@slwrthnu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slwrthnu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/36 "2008-11-27T10:21:33Z")
> [@PJB](#): > > I think they should completely do away with political parties. Never gonna happen but it would change alot of things and certainly make things interesting. > > No more voting for somebody just because he’s from a certain party even though he’s a complete moron. did you know that originally, they did not want political parties in america. but the way it is set up just sets us up for a 2 party system. i wish we had a multi-party system, i also wish we had votes of no-confidence. would be so much better. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/37 "2008-11-27T10:56:29Z")
I didnt know that- I always thought there were 2 or 3 parties from 1776 on. ---
**Author:** ![silverandslow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@silverandslow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/silverandslow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/38 "2008-11-27T13:11:28Z")
The clintons are the definition of politics as usual. What makes you think their opinions and methods would have changed from then to now? Unless I missed something, arent politicians the most stubborn pricks on the planet? Ya know, I didn’t know that considering the people who wrote the founding documents were part of parties. Unless I’m wrong, which i dont think I am. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/39 "2008-11-27T22:29:03Z")
> [@PJB](#): > > Well Obama atleast has plans to do stuff. Bush kinda did whatever he felt like doing. > Hopefully atleast some of what Obama is promising happens like pulling the armed forces out of Iraq and stuff like that. Wow ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/40 "2008-11-27T22:30:34Z")
> [@slwrthnu](#): > > omg omg omg…yea you still have yet to make a valid point. > > btw, i’m not for or against obama, just against idiots that blindly side with or against one political party and make reasonings like you do. holy fuck everyone that worked for clinton or carter has to be bad. > > yup, america, wonder why everyone laughs at us and my main news source isn’t from within the borders… Well, I am FOR Obama. He’s my county’s President. I got his back, as long as he aint stabbing while I aint lookin. I do have HOPE. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385.md?page=3)