# Change you can count on. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385 "2008-11-24T17:24:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/41 "2008-11-27T22:31:22Z")
> [@PJB](#): > > I think they should completely do away with political parties. Never gonna happen but it would change alot of things and certainly make things interesting. > > No more voting for somebody just because he’s from a certain party even though he’s a complete moron. Agreed 100% ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/42 "2008-11-27T22:31:59Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > If people vote X because it mostly aligns with their views, that’s fine. But, it shouldn’t matter that they are X party. If your candidate is in Y party, vote for that candidate. It brings up another interesting concept, are you voting for party or candidate? To me, it’s purly candidates (Pres/VP). Bullshit, your a party anchor //// sorry ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/43 "2008-11-27T22:33:00Z")
> [@silverandslow](#): > > Historically Deomcrats want bigger gov. and higher tax. Republicans smaller gov. and lower taxes. Bush is sort of a mutant waste of space so he isn’t included. If someone doesn’t beleive in bigger gov. why would they EVER vote democrat since thats a core belief of the party? Valid on all points. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/44 "2008-11-27T22:33:56Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > The simple fact that every person has their own ideals/values and ranks them accordingly. One or more of these values might be more favorable in the other candidates. To respond to your question, just because they believe in smaller gov’t, doesn’t mean that other issues are less important. This goes back to a previous debate where you seemed to know the why a voter voted. :nono > > Point in case, a very good friend of mine voted Republican several elections in a row. He voted Obama this time even though some of his ideals are still on the right-side. I have black friends too. Point invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/45 "2008-11-27T22:35:34Z")
> [@slwrthnu](#): > > you really expected him to hire staff that has no politicial experience? or maybe you don’t understand that just cause they have served under other presidential administrations doesn’t mean they are gonna act the same way under the current one. sorry i’m not an idiot. you on the other hand, i worry about. well not really, i don’t care cause i enjoy when people like you try to make political points, i just sit back and laugh. Some points valid, minus the laughing thing which I am guesssing comes from irrational thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Singh1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba8739/32.png) [@Singh1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Singh1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/46 "2008-11-27T22:36:30Z")
> [@slwrthnu](#): > > wait, are you saying that a politician made claims in a campaign and isn’t going to actually go through with them? no fucking way, this has like never happened before. > > oh wait, every politician has done it. quit acting like obama will be the first, yes he is going to be like every other god damn politician and not go through with everything he said, because that’s impossible, your a fucking idiot if you thought otherwise and your a fucking idiot if you think that every other politician doesn’t do this. word x 10 :idiots ---
**Author:** ![Singh1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba8739/32.png) [@Singh1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Singh1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/47 "2008-11-27T22:39:00Z")
> [@slwrthnu](#): > > omg omg omg…yea you still have yet to make a valid point. > > btw, i’m not for or against obama, just against idiots that blindly side with or against one political party and make reasonings like you do. holy fuck everyone that worked for clinton or carter has to be bad. > > yup, america, wonder why everyone laughs at us and my main news source isn’t from within the borders… ahah this dude thinks like me ^ ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/48 "2008-11-28T11:52:28Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > I have black friends too. Point invalid. It’s not invalid. You, nor silverandslow know why a person voted for a particular candidate. Period. They might not care about small gov’t or do care but have more preference in something else. It’s not like we are talking quantum physics here. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/49 "2008-11-28T16:51:22Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > It’s not invalid. You, nor silverandslow know why a person voted for a particular candidate. Period. > > They might not care about small gov’t or do care but have more preference in something else. It’s not like we are talking quantum physics here. Dude, you got your ass kicked and looked foolish last time when you try to make the point that black people didn’t vote for obama cause he black. 98% ??? that’s proof enough. . Sure, a good percentage of them actually like most of his policies… OBviously. ---
**Author:** ![Singh1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba8739/32.png) [@Singh1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Singh1)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/50 "2008-11-28T19:59:09Z")
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**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385/51 "2008-11-30T14:20:34Z")
> [@Jammer](#): > > Dude, you got your ass kicked and looked foolish last time when you try to make the point that black people didn’t vote for obama cause he black. 98% ??? that’s proof enough. . Sure, a good percentage of them actually like most of his policies… OBviously. You and silver can’t even make a post without some sort of English malfunction so the chances of you knowing why people vote are probably not accurate. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/change-you-can-count-on/240385.md?page=2)