# channel 4 news tonight 11/6 @11pm v. drama for my dad **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 6, 2006, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778 "2006-11-06T09:22:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/81 "2006-11-07T12:56:19Z")
**The story is up on [wivb.com](http://wivb.com) now** [http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5644784](http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5644784) ---
**Author:** ![FightinMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@FightinMike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FightinMike)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/82 "2006-11-07T13:16:45Z")
Smell that… Smells like a cover-up to me. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/83 "2006-11-07T13:24:04Z")
Dr. Joseph Gardella: “Instead of hiring a consultant to figure out a process that doesn’t create smoke, they should hire a consultant that’s going to tell them to capture it so it doesn’t get emitted.” +1 ---
**Author:** ![Locutus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/locutus/32/7574_2.png) [@Locutus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Locutus)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/84 "2006-11-07T15:11:38Z")
:tspry: nice vid… ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/85 "2006-11-07T15:21:16Z")
subscribed for later read… ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/86 "2006-11-07T17:11:56Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > **The story is up on [wivb.com](http://wivb.com) now** > > [http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5644784](http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=5644784) “the video you requested is unavailable for viewing.” Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the story just aired, why did they pull the video this soon? Best quote from the article: > Dr. Joseph Gardella: “Instead of hiring a consultant to figure out a process that doesn’t create smoke, they should hire a consultant that’s going to tell them to capture it so it doesn’t get emitted.” ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/87 "2006-11-07T17:21:47Z")
I was able to view the video just now. It looks like a passivation process to “clean” the metal parts. I hope they weren’t my parts.😃 j/k Why didn’t they say anything about the paint damage? The report just looked like people didn’t know if it was bad or not. ---
**Author:** ![audios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@audios](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/audios)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/88 "2006-11-07T17:22:03Z")
if i knew how to get something off of my dvr and onto my cpu, that would be great. anyone know how to do it? my dad wants to make copies to send out. then i could prolly figure out a way to get it hosted too ---
**Author:** ![audios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@audios](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/audios)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/89 "2006-11-07T17:25:07Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > I was able to view the video just now. > It looks like a passivation process to “clean” the metal. > Why didn’t they say anything about the paint damage? > The report just looked like people didn’t know if it was bad or not. paint damage has nothing to do with why my dad is doingit. it is only the reason why he decided to look into it. like i said, the car is sunk cost and he feels more obligated to look into the hazards then try and recoupe his losses. and as far as not knowing if it is bad or not…that is still to be determined because they wouldnt say what was being exhausted from 3 different locations, and the DEC never enforced them having to report it. it could very well be something non harmful, as far as a concentration issue, but still my dad would really like to know ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/90 "2006-11-07T17:25:12Z")
You can’t pull things directly off of your DVR to computer because they scramble the feed. Unless you hack your DVR box (Linux and some other stuff, can’t remember), or you ditch the DVR and start using TIVO, there is no easy way to transfer DVR recorded media directly to computer in a viewable format. ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/91 "2006-11-07T17:55:08Z")
It just worked for me :gotme: Sounds like the DEC is turning their cheek when it comes to figuring out what is going on. And like Audios said…harmful or not people have a legal right to know. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/92 "2006-11-07T19:03:05Z")
> [@audios](#): > > paint damage has nothing to do with why my dad is doingit. it is only the reason why he decided to look into it. like i said, the car is sunk cost and he feels more obligated to look into the hazards then try and recoupe his losses. > > and as far as not knowing if it is bad or not…that is still to be determined because they wouldnt say what was being exhausted from 3 different locations, and the DEC never enforced them having to report it. it could very well be something non harmful, as far as a concentration issue, but still my dad would really like to know Have you contacted OSHA? ---
**Author:** ![audios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@audios](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/audios)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/93 "2006-11-07T19:18:01Z")
> [@RedGoober4Life](#): > > Have you contacted OSHA? i am not sure if my dad called them or not. would they really have pull here? my dad had called the EPA, erie county health director, councilmen, senators…they all said DEC is the end all be all on this subject. so now we are going to send a letter with some footage to the federal branch…but we were told that even then, fed ad state regulations differ, so in this case the state even has the final word ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/94 "2006-11-07T19:28:58Z")
The one guy in the video complained about breathing it in, has anyone gone to a doctor with any symptoms? That might prompt some testing. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/95 "2006-11-07T21:09:38Z")
> [@RedGoober4Life](#): > > HF is actually a fairly weak acid. Fluorine is very reactive, yes, but this causes the H-F bond to be very strong, so the dissociation into hydronium and fluoride ions is low. In fact, the Ka for the HF is 7.2x10-4 (in comparison citric acid is 7.5x10-4), which is fairly low. > > HF is perceived as being dangerous because its ability to etch glass. This is consequence of what little fluoride and hydrogen that are able to dissociate in aqueous solution is able to break the bond between silicone and oxygen. > > HF + water \<\<–\> H+ and F- > SiO2 + 6F- –\>H2SiF6 + water > > Keep in mind that the it takes 6 fluorine molecules to 1 silicone. Over time this reaction will completely etch class, but only because the equilibrium between hydrofluoric acid and its ions will be shifted (supplying the silicone with a slow but constant supply of fluroide). I’m under the impression that automotive paint is an oxide or contains oxides (possibly somebody here knows this?). This process slow, obviously, and that’s why the cars aren’t just falling apart. > > It is toxic because the HF is a very small molecule and capable of entering the body through the skin. It’s very dangerous, but all acids are not created equally and I wanted to dispel that myth. Actually, with human contact, hydrofluoric acid is VERY dangerous. Unlike other acids, which “burn” and create a protective layer of dead skin, HF will penetrate the tissues and not stop until it can bind with something else. Usually, that means it’ll get down to the bones and bond with the calcium there (remember fluoride for teeth? Same idea). I’ve had to treat several HF burns and that stuff HURTS. Washing it off doesn’t help much. I’ve even had to do an IV calcium drip once to keep the stuff from going deeper. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/96 "2006-11-07T21:23:08Z")
I never said it wasn’t dangerous. I simply said it wasn’t a strong acid–which it is not. ---
**Author:** ![Smaefer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@Smaefer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Smaefer)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/97 "2006-11-07T21:23:31Z")
Very interesting. Props to your dad man for not putting up with this bullshit. I hope it all works out for the best. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2006, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/98 "2006-11-07T21:53:37Z")
> [@audios](#): > > i am not sure if my dad called them or not. would they really have pull here? > my dad had called the EPA, erie county health director, councilmen, senators…they all said DEC is the end all be all on this subject. so now we are going to send a letter with some footage to the federal branch…but we were told that even then, fed ad state regulations differ, so in this case the state even has the final word I think OSHA would be concerned about the safety of the workplaces involved. It’s worth a shot. I don’t know if my father knows of any names of OSHA reps in the area (he is a HR/safety manger at Perry’s and consults for a safety compliance company). I’ll print this and ask him. ---
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/99 "2006-11-08T05:17:45Z")
After seeing the video I would definately get some air monitors setup. ---
**Author:** ![audios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@audios](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/audios)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2006, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778/100 "2006-11-08T08:48:38Z")
my dad said he contacted osha…they said they wont do anything, it isnt their bag. he called some lawyers…somewhat famous ones who deal with these cases nationally…one of them being the guy who represented the defendants in the love canal suit. lol he is already representing GCF and providing coucil for them on this matter. thats 4 law firms my dad has called and they have conflict of interest due to being hired by GCF. wow my dod totally got beat to the punch…but doesnt that seem a little fishy “there is nothgn wrong with what we are doing, the stuff is safe, but we have a ton of lawyers just in case” oh man thats funny air sampling process is in the works, we will see what it shows [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/channel-4-news-tonight-11-6-11pm-v-drama-for-my-dad/19778.md?page=6)