# Check this shit out.... **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 3, 2009, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619 "2009-09-03T08:10:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/21 "2009-09-03T12:21:35Z")
> [@FRY! And anyone else who likes rad stuff!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fry-and-anyone-else-who-likes-rad-stuff/41013/13): > > Kriebel? > > And every company runs title on a property before they drill on it. It’s called abstracting. They run the chain of ownership of the gas rights back to the very first documented record. Then an attorney certifies it. > > If you don’t do your due diligence and a court rules that someone other than who you have leased owns the gas rights, you have NO CLAIM WHATSOEVER to that gas, and neither does the surface landowner. Therefore, you just drilled someone a $200,000 hole in the ground and he’s going to get to keep 100% of the production instead of the 1/8 royalty… and the gas co will get nothing. This sometimes happens even after someone has run the title, but the certifying attorney’s E&O policy will cover it. hummm it is krieble. i know there are a few rights, maybe three main ones? they are checking on gas? but i think the coal rights are long gone (the area has been strip mined) … so they are checking into proper ownership and are going to attempt to properly title it. Do you have any suggestions or things i should have them confirm or look into before moving forward? I know coal rights mandate ownership of methane, but i do not believe natty gas? although, i have no idea 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/22 "2009-09-03T12:46:52Z")
> [@FS: 93 ninja. Just added pics and a few more details](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-93-ninja-just-added-pics-and-a-few-more-details/32847/59): > > hummm it is krieble. > > i know there are a few rights, maybe three main ones? they are checking on gas? but i think the coal rights are long gone (the area has been strip mined) … so they are checking into proper ownership and are going to attempt to properly title it. Do you have any suggestions or things i should have them confirm or look into before moving forward? I know coal rights mandate ownership of methane, but i do not believe natty gas? although, i have no idea 🙂 Natural gas and oil are separate from the mineral rights (coal, limestone, etc.). Minerals can be quantified, and therefore can be taxed. There is no way to definitively assess whether or not there is natural gas or oil under a property and in what quantities it exists. Therefore it cannot be taxed. They were separated many years ago. Most people don’t own their coal rights, most people DO own their gas rights. If they do not own it, it SHOULD say in their deed “interests in all of the underlying gas and oil are hereby excepted and reserved to John Q. Jackoff” or something similar to that… but attorneys are lazy idiots and if someone didn’t reference that exception and reservation one of the times the deed was transferred, it’s likely that it woudnt be referenced in any deed after that. Kriebel doesn’t do CBM as far as I know. As I understood your post Kriebel is running title, not your parents, correct? If that is the case, you don’t need to worry about it. Kriebel is a well established company and they know what they’re doing. Also, it’s just for them to cover their own ass. If it comes out in the wash that your parents don’t own their oil and gas rights, there’s nothing they can do about it and they wouldn’t be on the hook for anything…assuming they didn’t sign a lease in which they guarantee their title (the verbiage in the lease to look for would probably be akin to "Lessors hereby warrant generally title to the Property "). you might want to look into that if you’re trying to be anal, but someone challenging gas ownership is exceptionally rare, and them winning the challenge is even moreso uncommon. Once the lease is signed, the landowner’s involvement is very minimal. I could have given you a SHITLOAD of pointers and verbiage you could have asked to have written into the lease that would have been beneficial to them, but if it’s signed, it’s a done deal. ---
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/23 "2009-09-03T12:51:58Z")
yeah… not sure if they signed for sure, but i do think they did. I know they put into the agreement that if they dont drill they won’t allow transport lines across the property and other shit like that. I’m not sure what else was in there, they brought me to the party after the fact. I do think that they leased with krieble so that they didn’t do anyhting with the title and let krieble deal with it on their end. ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/24 "2009-09-03T20:38:07Z")
Who the fuck is Jason Poljak, 32, of Kittanning and why do we care ---
**Author:** ![The1SloR\_T](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the1slor_t/32/5984_2.png) [@The1SloR\_T](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The1SloR_T)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/25 "2009-09-03T20:47:12Z")
darkstar’s famous ---
**Author:** ![yamaha](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamaha/32/5929_2.png) [@yamaha](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamaha)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/26 "2009-09-04T04:22:19Z")
cliffs? ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/27 "2009-09-04T09:13:54Z")
Awesome… I wish my company could get into a publication with world-wide circulation and respect like the Kittanning Paper. Oh wait… [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125200842406984303.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125200842406984303.html) -TJ ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/28 "2009-09-04T09:46:46Z")
> [@It's ILLEGAL to rip music to a PC, even if its not shared.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/27): > > Awesome… I wish my company could get into a publication with world-wide circulation and respect like the Kittanning Paper. Oh wait… [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125200842406984303.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125200842406984303.html) > > -TJ hahahahhaha ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/29 "2009-09-04T10:12:41Z")
on top of slashdot - [http://slashdot.org/](http://slashdot.org/) tits! ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/30 "2009-09-04T10:23:00Z")
> [@Local spoiled chick to be on tv](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/local-spoiled-chick-to-be-on-tv/40984/40): > > on top of slashdot - [http://slashdot.org/](http://slashdot.org/) > > tits! Yup… thanks dude!!! -TJ ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/31 "2009-09-04T10:44:10Z")
> [@It's ILLEGAL to rip music to a PC, even if its not shared.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/27): > > Awesome… I wish my company could get into a publication with world-wide circulation and respect like the Kittanning Paper. Oh wait… [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125200842406984303.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125200842406984303.html) > > -TJ I still win for not working for a company named after a Lord of the Rings character. ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/32 "2009-09-04T10:48:19Z")
> [@Suburban Auto Tdown](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suburban-auto-tdown/41018/16): > > I still win for not working for a company named after a Lord of the Rings character. You lose for not even getting the reference/insult right. The Palantir is not exactly a “character” duh. 😉 :blah::gives: -TJ ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/33 "2009-09-04T10:57:50Z")
> [@The Tuna gets to work - now hires Cowboys Staff for GM](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-tuna-gets-to-work-now-hires-cowboys-staff-for-gm/41023/10): > > You lose for not even getting the reference/insult right. The Palantir is not exactly a “character” duh. 😉 :blah::gives: > > -TJ I know that. I read the article. I just wanted to see if your nerdy ass would get all butthurt and post explaining that it’s actually a rock or some shit and not actually a character. Thanks for walking right into that. 🤣 Fucking nerd. ---
**Author:** ![tjZ28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@tjZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tjZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/34 "2009-09-04T11:34:58Z")
> [@Darkstar"](#): > > I know that. I read the article. I just wanted to see if your nerdy ass would get all butthurt and post explaining that it’s actually a rock or some shit and not actually a character. > > Thanks for walking right into that. 🤣 > > Fucking nerd. :jerkit: Seriously, congrats on your press. Now if only one of us could make it to wired. [-TJ](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/can-paypal-help-find-terrorists/) ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/35 "2009-09-04T11:37:47Z")
> [@It's ILLEGAL to rip music to a PC, even if its not shared.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/30): > > :jerkit: > > Seriously, congrats on your press. Now if only one of us could make it to wired. > > [-TJ](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/can-paypal-help-find-terrorists/) I was in Embedded Systems magazine… is that close? lol ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619/36 "2009-09-04T12:16:58Z")
> [@The last movie you've seen, and rate it.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-last-movie-youve-seen-and-rate-it/27425/423): > > I was in Embedded Systems magazine… is that close? lol Sounds like a gay pr0n mag. > [@It's ILLEGAL to rip music to a PC, even if its not shared.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-illegal-to-rip-music-to-a-pc-even-if-its-not-shared/41016/30): > > :jerkit: > > Seriously, congrats on your press. Now if only one of us could make it to wired. > > [-TJ](http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/09/can-paypal-help-find-terrorists/) 🤣 Fuck wired. I’m gunning for Forbes. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/check-this-shit-out/203619.md?page=1)