# Cheney kicks ass!....did you watch the debate? **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 5, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603 "2004-10-05T19:54:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/101 "2004-10-06T15:09:57Z")
if iraq had/had weapons of mass destruction, it’s because Reagan, Bush Sr, and Rumsfeld GAVE THEM TO HUSSEIN to fight the Iranians. even Bush Sr has stated that taking war to Iraq would have been a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/102 "2004-10-06T16:56:02Z")
> [@showtime](#): > > just something to throw out for people to think about… > i’ve heard many values of what was spent on the war etc…280mil, 200mill, 120mill…also cheney claims were getting some of that back…i’ll believe it when i see it. > anyway…you know how many people there are in america…about 290mil > so with that kind of money you could give every family in america give or take 1 mil. > that a lot of money. Um 290 Mil Divided by 290 Mil is **1 Dollar** per person Not 1 million… ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/103 "2004-10-06T17:13:42Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > if you’re a lazy piece of shit, you don’t deserve the medicine. Agree 100%. Especially if you can still some how afford all the bling bling and shit when you are supposed to be hurting and need assistance. Fuck welfare. 80% of the pople out there abuse it. Ever been to wilkinsburg? Yeah been there done that got shot at while working EMS down there. Fuck those typs of people. I was driving into work after the Bush / Kerry debate the next morning and all those fucking jobless loosers were out in the cold supporting Kerry. How about speniding that extra energy to go find a fucking Job! ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/104 "2004-10-06T19:53:25Z")
speaking of lazy POS… just at wal mart, this lady had a food stamps. she looked like she was on crack. I walked out with her and she jumped into the drivers seat of a brand new explorer… sickening ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/105 "2004-10-06T22:53:37Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > /political messages > > look… bush is game for big business because he knows that big business runs this entire country… please tell me that you think america could survive on mom / pop business’s across the nation??? > > bush was on the side of drug companies so that they could gain money for R&D for new drugs… and so that the drugs are availble to the people… how about how kerry fucked us for our flu vaccines… > > and the people that can’t afford the medicine are lazy ass welfare mooching assholes… they whine and cry “give us more for less”… wouldn’t that be a great life. if a person is out busting their ass they have healthcare… if they own a business they have a supplimental heathcare plan… a heathcare plan will get you the medicine you need… if you’re a lazy piece of shit, you don’t deserve the medicine. :ugh: @ everything in this post. Some elderly people that have bad health conditions have to spend thousands of dollars a month on drugs to keep them alive. Are you saying that since the drug companies charge them 5x as much as they charge the Canadians, that they dont deserve to live? Why can they charge Canadians 1/5th as much and still turn a profit? If all of the sudden you got cancer and had to spend $3000 a month on prescription drugs, would YOU be able to afford it? ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/106 "2004-10-06T22:57:31Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > please don’t tell me that you doubt the existance of any WMD / nukes in that country… i don’t give a shit what reports tell us… they had them. So, you’re saying that you, a IT guy from Pittsburgh, knows more about whether or not Iraq had WMD’s and nukes than weapons inspectors and congressional committee’s that lived in Iraq, worked in Iraq, and devoted YEARS of their lives solely to determine if Iraq had WMD’s. :ugh: > i agree… it’s totally handed to them… but then again it just got the process in gear and going… if some company was soooo undercut, why didn’t they challenge the no-bid? there are things like higher courts in this country. Thats the whole fucking point of a NO-BID CONTRACT! No one else is allowed to fucking bid. :slap: ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/107 "2004-10-06T23:06:01Z")
anyone who thinks we don’t need some kind of assistance/regulation with health care costs is mental. after tips, i average about $13/hour. there’s no way in hell i can afford medical treatment of any kind. when i split my head open last winter, i ended up with a bill for $1500 for having the wound flushed out with water, super-glued shut, and a tetanus shot. i saw the doctor for about three minutes, and a nurse for about five. FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS! i can’t afford the allergy medicine i need (Flonase) and now that Claritin is OTC, even if I had health insurance i couldn’t afford to take it daily. Those two drugs combined cost more than my car insurance! And I’ve lost my license four or five times! bear in mind that after tips, i make more than twice what someone making minimum wage earns… and i live paycheck to paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/108 "2004-10-06T23:10:58Z")
> [@2kaltima](#): > > exactly > > i agree with fshowcars about the jobs. People are for the most part lazy. Most people who want a job can get one. But the government makes it easier to sit on your ass and collect from others than it is to get a job. Libertarians want to eliminate welfare entirely! :bigthumb: And I completly agree that welfare is a fucking joke. I used to deliver pizzas in Kittanning. Theres tons of welfare leeching pieces of shit there. The one low income housing place, everyone had nice cars, big screen TV’s, computers and all taht shit, because the way the welfare laws worked, you could work 25 hours a week and still be on welfare. But they cant have more than X amt of dollars in their bank accounts or some shit like that. So they work their 25 hours a week, and since they dont have to pay any rent, or pay for food, they take the checks they from the state and the checks they get from work, and they have to blow it all cause they cant save it or they’d get kicked off welfare. I can remember working at the car wash, putting up a help wanted sign, and about 10 guys came in. On every one of their applications, it said “can only work 25 hours per week”. It needs to fucking stop. If welfare were cut off then those pieces of shit would have to go out and get real jobs. If theres no incentive for them to get off welfare, they never will. I had some people tell me that I should have went on welfare when I was living in the talon, I told them to go fuck themselves and would rather freeze my balls off sleeping in 10 degree weather than be a welfare deadbeat. As for the p[eople that truly need it (the elderly, handicapped, whatever), they can get help from private organizations (churches, salvation army, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/109 "2004-10-06T23:16:42Z")
> [@fshowcars](#): > > hey man… don’t get me wrong… i think this county lives off our elders… no doubt… and that’s why no one fucks with social security. my grandma and grandpa get some decent money from SS checks… > > disabled is another thing… granted people get hurt, workmans comp, long term disability, short term disability… all programs directed at hurt workers to ensure they get their money to support themselves and their families… then you have poeple that get papercuts and claim blood posioning… people that lift a 20 lbs piece of wood go to a crooked doctor and get write offs for years on it. these type of leeching assholes are the ones that are screwing everyone else… !!! they are making a mockary of the system and showing the exploits… unfortunatley others see this and join in. > > it’s the poeple that claim checks at home all day for months… these people could get jobs, it’s just easier / better to stay home all day and collect a check in the mail… fuck, sign me up now… it just won’t last forever. > > as stated, i think taht lazy people are the downfall of a socialogic plan to avoid a destressing economy. so enact legislation to put a stop to it! It will never happen with a democrat or a republican though, because they have to be so fucking moderate, walk on eggshells, and never take any drastic action, because if they do they’ll be looked at as a wack job and will be disgraced by their party. To get anywhere in any of the major parties, its conformity or bust. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/110 "2004-10-06T23:26:29Z")
> [@whitey](#): > > nigga please… they are just doing there job. they know they could die. > > if i get carple tunnel(sp) i am not going to whine and complain. i am going to be like oh shit, my job hurt me. Meh. Cops know they could get shot in the line of duty as well, but it doesnt make it any less sad when one of them does. And if the war was a just one, it would be a different story. Compare WWII, where Hitler was literally trying to take over the world, executed 6 milliion Jews, and killed many millions more in his tirades through Eurpoe. 1st number = military dead 2nd number = civilian dead 3rd number = total dead USSR 12 million 17 million 29 million Poland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 million Germany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 million Yugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 million Romania 450,000 465,000 915,000 Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000 France 245,000 350,000 595,000 Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000 Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000 United States 407,000 6,000 413,000 Czechoslovakia 7,000 315,000 322,000 Holland 13,700 236,000 249,000 Greece 19,000 140,000 159,000 Belgium 76,000 23,000 99,000 Now, compare that to Iraq. Where we went to war because we _thought_ they had WMD’s. Even though they had no possible way to launch them at the US. Now, also factor in that there are rogue states, with governments that are as much if not more anti-american that Iraq, that OPENLY HAVE WMD’s and NUCLEAR WEAPONS, and we dont do shit. Its a stupid fucking war, and now we’re getting fucked in the ass for it. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/111 "2004-10-06T23:33:12Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > anyone who thinks we don’t need some kind of assistance/regulation with health care costs is mental. after tips, i average about $13/hour. there’s no way in hell i can afford medical treatment of any kind. when i split my head open last winter, i ended up with a bill for $1500 for having the wound flushed out with water, super-glued shut, and a tetanus shot. i saw the doctor for about three minutes, and a nurse for about five. > > FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS! > > i can’t afford the allergy medicine i need (Flonase) and now that Claritin is OTC, even if I had health insurance i couldn’t afford to take it daily. Those two drugs combined cost more than my car insurance! And I’ve lost my license four or five times! > > bear in mind that after tips, i make more than twice what someone making minimum wage earns… and i live paycheck to paycheck. werd. Think about this. When I broke my arms on my dirtbike, I was in the hospital for 2 nights. I had one surgery, and then another later on to correct something they fucked up. Wanna take a guess on the total bill? $60,000. Imagine if I was a little older and wasnt under the rents insurance? I think my dad had to pay like $500 or some shit like that, but only because my step mothers insurance stepped up and covered what my dad’s didnt. $60,000 mother fucking dollars to sit in a bed for two nighs, and be under the knife for like 45 minutes. That would have RUINED my life for a long ass time. My g/f had to go to the ER one time about a year ago because she was having chest pains (which later proved to be anxiety caused). They saw her for less than 10 minutes. Hooked her up to an EKG, listened to her chest through a stethoscope, and she was on her way. Bill was over $600. How the fuck can you tell me thats cool? ---
**Author:** ![imported\_showtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/112 "2004-10-07T06:03:58Z")
> [@Sight N Sound](#): > > Um 290 Mil Divided by 290 Mil is **1 Dollar** per person Not 1 million… it was a typo…the war is Billions not Mil…i made the edit so i guess you have no idea whats going on…if you didn’t realize that? ---
**Author:** ![Sight\_N\_Sound](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sight_n_sound/32/5950_2.png) [@Sight\_N\_Sound](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sight_N_Sound)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/113 "2004-10-07T06:07:31Z")
> [@showtime](#): > > it was a typo…the war is Billions not Mil…i made the edit > > so i guess you have no idea whats going on…if you didn’t realize that? No, I realize whats going on. I wasn’t sure if you did ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/114 "2004-10-07T06:39:59Z")
> [@EcoThunder](#): > > That is a very bad way of assessing the market considering every body and their brother has gone to school for computers…same thing as teachers…there are only so many jobs available out there. And the problem is…thats how you liberal’s get your information…“duh, I didnt see any jobs in the paper” did your stupid ass read the whole post or just a few words ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/115 "2004-10-07T06:42:07Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > so every president that takes guys into combat and you don’t like the reason he should be shot in the head. Thats what i take from your comment based on the facts you gave, Declaring war on an innocent country is different. it’s not just me that doesn’t like the war, it’s the vast majority of the world’s population, or did you just listen to bush and not read anything from other sources. ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/116 "2004-10-07T06:46:25Z")
> [@whitey](#): > > nigga please… they are just doing there job. they know they could die. > > if i get carple tunnel(sp) i am not going to whine and complain. i am going to be like oh shit, my job hurt me. My brother is over there right now and he does not expect to die, fuck all you people that say that. His job is to pretect your and my ass and you give no respect. The president make a big fuckup and doesn’t have to deal with any consequences, that’s bullshit. If i fucked up at work and got 1000+ people killed, the outcome would be a lot different. ---
**Author:** ![EcoThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@EcoThunder](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EcoThunder)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/117 "2004-10-07T15:51:45Z")
What hes trying to say is that you dont just join up for the military without knowing there is a possiblity you may have to go to war…and ultimately have the possibility of dying. And who said anything about anybody not respecting them? We all respect and thank them for what they do. My best freind was over there. They are ALL hero’s! ---
**Author:** ![EcoThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@EcoThunder](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EcoThunder)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/118 "2004-10-07T15:53:27Z")
> [@2kaltima](#): > > did your stupid ass read the whole post or just a few words I read the whole post…and it doesnt change a thing. You were the stupid ass for saying something so stupid in the first place! ---
**Author:** ![EcoThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/eb8c5e/32.png) [@EcoThunder](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EcoThunder)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2004, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/119 "2004-10-07T15:56:24Z")
> [@Darkstar](#): > > Meh. Cops know they could get shot in the line of duty as well, but it doesnt make it any less sad when one of them does. And if the war was a just one, it would be a different story. Compare WWII, where Hitler was literally trying to take over the world, executed 6 milliion Jews, and killed many millions more in his tirades through Eurpoe. > > 1st number = military dead > 2nd number = civilian dead > 3rd number = total dead > > USSR 12 million 17 million 29 million > Poland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 million > Germany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 million > Yugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 million > Romania 450,000 465,000 915,000 > Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000 > France 245,000 350,000 595,000 > Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000 > Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000 > United States 407,000 6,000 413,000 > Czechoslovakia 7,000 315,000 322,000 > Holland 13,700 236,000 249,000 > Greece 19,000 140,000 159,000 > Belgium 76,000 23,000 99,000 > > Now, compare that to Iraq. Where we went to war because we _thought_ they had WMD’s. Even though they had no possible way to launch them at the US. Now, also factor in that there are rogue states, with governments that are as much if not more anti-american that Iraq, that OPENLY HAVE WMD’s and NUCLEAR WEAPONS, and we dont do shit. > > Its a stupid fucking war, and now we’re getting fucked in the ass for it. Nice argument, but what about the millions of people Saddam mass murdered? Who cares that we didnt find any MAJOR forms of WMD…the point is we took down a Dictator who raped and murdered children and people…kind of like WWII…you mean to tell me you think WWII was a mistake? ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2004, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603/120 "2004-10-08T01:22:55Z")
> [@EcoThunder](#): > > you mean to tell me you think WWII was a mistake? How the hell did you get that from my post? Yes, Saddam slaughtered some people, but they were his political opponents, and people that were against him. We let that shit go on all the time. Remember Rwanda in 1994? That whole little geoncide thing they had goin on down there that we completly ignored? We turn a blind eye to human rights violations every fucking day. Ever heard of East Timor? Probably not. Which is fucking sad. We are the worlds police, when we feel like it, or when we stand to profit from it. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cheney-kicks-ass-did-you-watch-the-debate/169603.md?page=7)