# Chinese Want To Buy the Big 3 Automakers **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [November 20, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525 "2008-11-20T22:19:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JDMSIR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdmsir/32/7376_2.png) [@JDMSIR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JDMSIR)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/1 "2008-11-20T22:19:33Z")
> **[Chinese Want To Buy the Big 3 Automakers](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chinese-want-to-buy-the-b_b_144920)** > > All the Shock Doctrine fanatics cheering to drive the the Big 3 into bankruptcy "restructuring," like Mitt Romney, might want to think about the implications of this. > It [appears](http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/19/playing-chess-with-the-chinese/) that the Chinese car makers SAIC and Dongfeng [have plans to acquire the Big 3:](http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/11/16/we-are-all-flint-mi-now/) > > A take-over of a large overseas auto maker would fit perfectly into China’s plans. As reported before, China has realized that its export chances are slim without unfettered access to foreign technology. The brand cachet of Chinese cars abroad is, shall we say, challenged. The Chinese could easily export Made-in-China VWs, Toyotas, Buicks. If their joint venture partner would let them. The solution: Buy the joint venture partner. Especially, when he’s in deep trouble. > At current market valuations (GM is worth less than Mattel) the Chinese government can afford to buy GM with petty cash. Even a hundred billion $ would barely dent China’s more than $2t in currency reserves. For nobody in the world would buying GM and (while they are at it) Chrysler make more sense than for the Chinese. Overlap? What overlap? They would gain instant access to the world’s markets with accepted brands, and proven technology. > All the Shock Doctrine fanatics cheering to drive the the Big 3 into bankruptcy “restructuring” (like [Mitt Romney](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss), who can kiss future hopes of electoral victory in Michigan goodbye) might want to think about the implications of this. > Of course the same legislators clamouring for bankruptcy could block the sale. (This assumes they have the fortitude to stare down the Chinese, who currently hold a whopping portion of US debt, and deny them something they really want). But in doing so, and at the same time refusing a bridge loan to the automakers, they are basically legislating the destruction of the Big 3. They will be forcing them to stiff all their creditors and stockholders and tear up their union contracts by refusing to let the “free market” they love to bang on about step in and assume the company’s legitimate debts. Or were all those insufferable lectures about “personal responsibility” when the bankruptcy bill was going through just so much claptrap? > Because selling the company would be far preferable to the Big 3 and those who are dependent on them than Chapter 7. But long-term it would not be without peril for the US. As one FDL commener noted: > > **With no big three making cars what to stop Toyota and Honda from moving the plants to Mexico where costs are really low. Its only the threat of being shut out of the American market that keeps the Japanese building cars here. If we no longer have cars made in America by American companies we will have no choice but to buy their cars no matter where they are made.** > I know long-term thinking isn’t his forte. But as Richard Shelby is salivating at the prospect of yet another BMW SUV plant in his right-to-work state, it might be something for him to consider. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/2 "2008-11-20T22:23:23Z")
wow. ---
**Author:** ![\_Karu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/_karu/32/7602_2.png) [@\_Karu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_Karu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/3 "2008-11-20T22:52:25Z")
Oh yeah, here they come. ---
**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/4 "2008-11-20T23:18:09Z")
That’s just fucking great. Fuck the Chinese. ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/5 "2008-11-20T23:22:00Z")
Beck’s Chinese? ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/6 "2008-11-21T04:23:43Z")
And for all the times I thought Fords quality couldnt get any worse… they find another way to shock me ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/7 "2008-11-21T04:31:53Z")
yay, soon we will be owned by china. Arent they already buying U.S. bonds ?? ---
**Author:** ![Wahoo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wahoo/32/8265_2.png) [@Wahoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wahoo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/8 "2008-11-21T04:39:21Z")
Ehhh wtf! ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/9 "2008-11-21T04:46:00Z")
> [@turbociv](#): > > yay, soon we will be owned by china. Arent they already buying U.S. bonds ?? and buildings ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/10 "2008-11-21T04:47:15Z")
:lol: I would LOVE to see the UAW try and negotiate a contract with them though ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/11 "2008-11-21T04:50:15Z")
The Chinese openly suck at making cars, so why wouldnt they buy something that works to sell and make the money. I say good for them and the big three probably need new owners. ---
**Author:** ![ZOMGVTEK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zomgvtek/32/5063_2.png) [@ZOMGVTEK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ZOMGVTEK)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/12 "2008-11-21T04:55:19Z")
Hmmm… If anyone should buy GM, it would be china. But holy shit would those cars likely suck, HARD. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/13 "2008-11-21T05:13:05Z")
One step closer… I find it hilarious that they can buy GM with ‘petty cash’. I can’t wait to apply for jobs outside of the US to see what’s out there. ---
**Author:** ![Johnnylude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2acd7d/32.png) [@Johnnylude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnylude)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/14 "2008-11-21T05:44:47Z")
> [@ZOMGVTEK](#): > > Hmmm… > > If anyone should buy GM, it would be china. But holy shit would those cars likely suck, HARD. GM cars already suck! ---
**Author:** ![Johnnylude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2acd7d/32.png) [@Johnnylude](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johnnylude)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/15 "2008-11-21T05:45:32Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > That’s just fucking great. > > Fuck the Chinese. You should run for public office!:meh: ---
**Author:** ![93dx\_hatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/90ced4/32.png) [@93dx\_hatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/93dx_hatch)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/16 "2008-11-21T05:48:15Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > One step closer… > > I find it hilarious that they can buy GM with ‘petty cash’. I can’t wait to apply for jobs outside of the US to see what’s out there. what other languages do you speak? ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 5:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/17 "2008-11-21T05:50:51Z")
> [@93dx--hatch](#): > > what other languages do you speak? French. Doesn’t help me much, but english is the language of business. I plan to take classes in another language, just not exactly sure which yet. ---
**Author:** ![ZOMGVTEK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zomgvtek/32/5063_2.png) [@ZOMGVTEK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ZOMGVTEK)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/18 "2008-11-21T05:54:28Z")
> [@Johnnylude](#): > > GM cars already suck! Most of them are meh… But theyre cheap as hell right now, so if youre looking for a cheap new car, its where you go. ---
**Author:** ![\_Karu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/_karu/32/7602_2.png) [@\_Karu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_Karu)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/19 "2008-11-21T06:52:07Z")
Everybody should start learning Chinese…get that language learning software Michael Phelps’ promoting. just FYI, a lot of chinese businessmen are sly SOB. So, be prepared with their “tricks,” consisting of corruption, collusion and nepotism. ---
**Author:** ![\_Karu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/_karu/32/7602_2.png) [@\_Karu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_Karu)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525/20 "2008-11-21T06:58:47Z")
> [@Shockwave179](#): > > That’s just fucking great. > > Fuck the Chinese. :roflpicard: It’s really hard to say that when people are still going to Walmart to buy all those “Made in China” merchandise. And, not to mention that a lot of US citizens are not willing to “move forward” away from manufacturing jobs. Aren’t we suppose to throw em’ away to the cheaper option and make ourselves better by embracing service-oriented jobs? This way, we can make the Chinese paying us for whatever special services we posses but they don’t. :mamoru: [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/chinese-want-to-buy-the-big-3-automakers/58525.md?page=2)