# Closing Gitmo: Yay or Nay? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 24, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859 "2009-01-24T18:47:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/1 "2009-01-24T18:47:38Z")
Well one of President Obama’s first orders was to close Guantanamo Bay prison. As you might guess I approve of this decision, I think it has done nothing but hurt our image in the world and has become a stain on our constitution. As long as a system is setup properly, I would like to see these prisoners removed and give a trial for their crimes. Preferably a military tribunal, one that uses due process of the law, which has been ignored now for years. ---
**Author:** ![Karter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/2 "2009-01-24T18:48:21Z")
we need a poll with a bacon option ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/3 "2009-01-24T18:49:47Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > we need a poll with a bacon option We need a forum with a “remove Just Karter” option. ---
**Author:** ![97Ranger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97ranger/32/7342_2.png) [@97Ranger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97Ranger)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/4 "2009-01-24T18:54:16Z")
my guess is that congress will not allow this to happen ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/5 "2009-01-24T18:57:06Z")
> [@97Ranger](#): > > my guess is that congress will not allow this to happen I’m not sure this falls under their jurisdiction, I could be wrong. Why do you think that the Democrat controlled congress would not go along with this? ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/6 "2009-01-24T21:23:07Z")
I don’t necessarily like it, But I can’t help but see it as a necessary evil. What are they going to do with all the prisoners if it closes? ---
**Author:** ![97Ranger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97ranger/32/7342_2.png) [@97Ranger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97Ranger)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/7 "2009-01-24T23:48:22Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > I’m not sure this falls under their jurisdiction, I could be wrong. Why do you think that the Democrat controlled congress would not go along with this? to be honest i have no facts behind this statement… it just seemed like the right thing to say. congress has to much input… i say if the president wants to do something then let him do it… congress shouldn’t have power to deny his bills ---
**Author:** ![ryanmcell](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ryanmcell/32/7510_2.png) [@ryanmcell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ryanmcell)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/8 "2009-01-25T00:06:42Z")
> [@97Ranger](#): > > to be honest i have no facts behind this statement… it just seemed like the right thing to say. congress has to much input… **i say if the president wants to do something then let him do it… congress shouldn’t have power to deny his bills** Balance of Powers mean anything to you? Ever heard of a guy named Hitler…??? ---
**Author:** ![Shrives](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shrives/32/7250_2.png) [@Shrives](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shrives)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/9 "2009-01-25T00:11:08Z")
> [@97Ranger](#): > > i say if the president wants to do something then let him do it… congress shouldn’t have power to deny his bills Really? I usually stay out of the politics threads but c’mon with this shit… ---
**Author:** ![ILC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilc/32/5337_2.png) [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/10 "2009-01-25T00:13:17Z")
> [@ryanmcell](#): > > Balance of Powers mean anything to you? > > Ever heard of a guy named Hitler…??? seriously… We don’t need the national bird being a chicken anytime soon. I’m all for gitmo and rendition, if thats what it takes to save more lives ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/11 "2009-01-25T00:42:12Z")
> [@rj-92](#): > > What are they going to do with all the prisoners if it closes? There are a few ideas out there, such as having them sent to other countries involved in NATO and such, also the idea of sending them to detention facilities here in the states. Obviously there are going to be a lot of kinks with this but his plan is to have it closed by next year. So, many of these questions will be answered by then. One thing that should be understood however is that closing Gitmo Prison does not mean Obama’s going to just let them go. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/12 "2009-01-25T07:41:27Z")
> [@ILC](#): > > seriously… We don’t need the national bird being a chicken anytime soon. > > I’m all for gitmo and rendition, if thats what it takes to save more lives > [@Benjamin Franklin](#): > > They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security. Without knowing your position on gun rights, I find it very peculiar that it’s usually the gun-rights folks who approve of Gitmo, but I find a detention center where American citizens can be (and have been) detained in connection with alleged terrorist plots, for years, without being charged with any crime, completely in violation of our Constitutional rights and the foundations of our democracy, to be absolutely appalling. If the people are guilty, they can be convicted in a court of law. If there’s insufficient evidence out there to convict, they should be surveiled, not imprisoned, since it’s not certain that they’re actually guilty. Security’s important. Keeping our country safe is important. But it does not justify a detention center set up specifically to circumvent Constitutional rights granted to people charged with crimes in the United States. Would you be all for curfews, if that’s what it takes to save more lives? Martial law, if that’s what it takes to save more lives? Suspension of elections, if that’s what it takes to save more lives? Guantanamo Bay’s a stain on our national reputation, and ignores our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/13 "2009-01-25T08:09:41Z")
where is the option for closing the prison and drowning the prisoners? ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/14 "2009-01-25T09:10:15Z")
Closing Guantanimo is a clear victory against terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/15 "2009-01-25T09:20:59Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > There are a few ideas out there, such as having them sent to other countries involved in NATO and such, also the idea of sending them to detention facilities here in the states. Obviously there are going to be a lot of kinks with this but his plan is to have it closed by next year. > > So, many of these questions will be answered by then. > > One thing that should be understood however is that closing Gitmo Prison does not mean Obama’s going to just let them go. That being said, wouldn’t it make more sense to have a plan to do something with the people in the prison before there’s a plan to close it? Just seems a little backwards to me. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/16 "2009-01-25T09:41:09Z")
> [@rj-92](#): > > That being said, wouldn’t it make more sense to have a plan to do something with the people in the prison before there’s a plan to close it? Just seems a little backwards to me. Why not have the goal first? The goal is to have the place closed within a year, now lets figure out what we have to do to get that done. You always start off with what you want to achieve first then figure out how to do it, not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![ericvw7989](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ericvw7989/32/5070_2.png) [@ericvw7989](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ericvw7989)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/17 "2009-01-25T09:58:33Z")
I dont think its a good idea, I mean putting these people on our soil and having them mix in with other people is going to lead to a lot of behavioral problems that I do not think they will be able to handle. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/18 "2009-01-25T10:11:58Z")
> [@rj-92](#): > > That being said, wouldn’t it make more sense to have a plan to do something with the people in the prison before there’s a plan to close it? Just seems a little backwards to me. What? How can you have a plan to move the people before you plan to shut it down? They made a plan to shut it down, necessitating a plan to move the people, which will now be implemented. > [@ericvw7989](#): > > I dont think its a good idea, I mean putting these people on our soil and having them mix in with other people is going to lead to a lot of behavioral problems that I do not think they will be able to handle. What? They’re not being set free? Many will be going back to their home countries, the others will be put in U.S. prisons? ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/19 "2009-01-25T10:13:11Z")
> [@ericvw7989](#): > > I dont think its a good idea, I mean putting these people on our soil and having them mix in with other people is going to lead to a lot of behavioral problems that I do not think they will be able to handle. I doubt they would be placed in state prisons or their equivalent ---
**Author:** ![BigEd88](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/biged88/32/5064_2.png) [@BigEd88](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigEd88)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2009, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859/20 "2009-01-25T11:32:21Z")
> [@Moruitelda](#): > > but I find a detention center where American citizens can be (and have been) detained in connection with alleged terrorist plots, for years, without being charged with any crime, completely in violation of our Constitutional rights and the foundations of our democracy, to be absolutely appalling. > > If the people are guilty, they can be convicted in a court of law. If there’s insufficient evidence out there to convict, they should be surveiled, not imprisoned, since it’s not certain that they’re actually guilty. Security’s important. Keeping our country safe is important. But it does not justify a detention center set up specifically to circumvent Constitutional rights granted to people charged with crimes in the United States. > > Would you be all for curfews, if that’s what it takes to save more lives? Martial law, if that’s what it takes to save more lives? Suspension of elections, if that’s what it takes to save more lives? > > Guantanamo Bay’s a stain on our national reputation, and ignores our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. Give the US Citizens trials, they are the ones the constitution protects,. All the others need some sort of war trials, and even then what do you do with the random guys picked up in the middle of Iraq and Afghanistan? Sending them back may just cause them to blow themselves up in the middle of a school or US Convoy. Some of them had that intention and then were “detained”. Its a tricky situation considering a lot of them are part of a group that doesn’t call 1 place home, but instead, any place home, and they hate everyone but their group. Surveillance does not work when the suspect flees to the middle east. I have to read up a bit on how many of them are actually US citizens. If its a “POW” type camp, your not supposed to let the prisoners go until one side gives up… [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/closing-gitmo-yay-or-nay/61859.md?page=2)