# \*\*\*Come play GTR2 \*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 29, 2006, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079 "2006-10-29T14:29:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/341 "2006-11-30T16:47:48Z")
I repeat, you’re attempts to make the game more “realistic” have failed, all these cars have ABS and TCS in real life, yes, even the race ones. ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/342 "2006-11-30T16:50:47Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > I complained about it as soon as the server came back online. I even chatted with you back when I was playing every night and you told me we were playing WITH mild ABS and TCS controls. Ok, if you are going to put words in my mouth, at least get them right. When you asked me that question, we were still playing NOVICE. I told you that yes the aids were on (at that time), but that MOST OF US were driving with them OFF or LOW because we could get faster times that way. Get it right. > [@MPD47](#): > > I repeat, you’re attempts to make the game more “realistic” have failed, all these cars have ABS and TCS in real life, yes, even the race ones. I’m not trying to make it realistic. That’s impossible. Whether they have them in real life or not was not the point. The point was a CHALLENGE. Why do you think so many of us have the aids off? > [@MPD47](#): > > Unless you voice your opinion ON NYSPEED about the NYSPEED SERVER it’s pretty much null. Wow. How mature. There are more people playing with us than are on this board. And that’s your take? Talk about juvenile. You really just don’t get it. :banghead: WE HAVE TWO SERVERS. WE CAN SET THINGS UP SO EVERYONE IS HAPPY. WHY ARE YOU STILL BITCHING?! :banghead: ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/343 "2006-11-30T16:54:05Z")
I’m still bitching because despite the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE saying they dont mind the driving aids being on, it’s your way or the highway. I’d like to play in the league and I know others would too, but I’m not going to bother if it’s Rick’s ultimate no abs, no traction, everyone loves flatspotting tires playground. It’s an NYSpeed server, clearly, if you’re playing there, you should be voiceing your opinion on the NYspeed forum, it’s no juvenile, it’s accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/344 "2006-11-30T16:57:24Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > I’m still bitching because despite the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE saying they dont mind the driving aids being on, it’s your way or the highway. I’d like to play in the league and I know others would too, but I’m not going to bother if it’s Rick’s ultimate no abs, no traction, everyone loves flatspotting tires playground. Since you missed it, here it is again: > [@Rx3](#): > > At any rate, we do have two servers. I was happy when Fuzzy set up another one, because it gives us more flexibility. I have no problems with one server setup in novice mode because **I know that everyone will not want to/be able to handle the same level of play.** Hell some of the more serious guys will probably want to kick back and relax, and having a second server will allow for people to have more than one option. Seriously, what is your problem? Other than just selectively reading and seeing what you want to see? ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/345 "2006-11-30T16:59:05Z")
> [@Rx3](#): > > Since you missed it, here it is again: > > Seriously, what is your problem? SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE MISSED IT > [@MPD47](#): > > I’m still bitching because despite the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE saying they dont mind the driving aids being on, it’s your way or the highway. I’d like to play in the league and I know others would too Allowing driving aids is what the MAJORITY of people want, if you decide not to use them on your own car, that’s your choice. League play should allow them. ---
**Author:** ![jb37](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7bcc69/32.png) [@jb37](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jb37)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/346 "2006-11-30T17:16:50Z")
Here’s my opinions, put me in the camp I belong in. I’d just like to join in some racing if I can get my computer to cooperate for a whole evening. I find it difficult to drive the cars without any traction control, I prefer to use low. A few nights ago the race was at Zuhai (or whatever) and the track was wet, not sure if everybody realized to put the rains on. I don’t like to use ABS at all, but I haven’t ever tried the game with it, you’ll probably be faster if you don’t use it, maybe not, I don’t know. I don’t use stability help, again, I’ve never tried it either. Just work on the car setup some more. (a lot of the “stock” or “out of the box” setups suck in my opinion) I feel I’ve managed to get a lot of the cars to a place where I like them. ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/347 "2006-11-30T17:33:46Z")
> [@Rx3](#): > > :banghead: WE HAVE TWO SERVERS. WE CAN SET THINGS UP SO EVERYONE IS HAPPY. WHY ARE YOU STILL BITCHING?! :banghead: . When people are on the all out one I’ll probably be there as I havn’t been using aids for awhile. And those of you that want aids have it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/348 "2006-11-30T17:46:12Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > I repeat, you’re attempts to make the game more “realistic” have failed, all these cars have ABS and TCS in real life, yes, even the race ones. I know I’m just a nobody on this forum. But as someone who’s had a lot of fun racing with you guys, I have to make a correction here. As far as I know, the FIA allows traction control, but not ABS or SMS. [left] **_2.8 Electronic system_** [/left] [left]_A traction control system operating exclusively on the engine from_ _data provided by wheel rotation speed sensors is authorised._ _Any other automatic or electronic chassis control system or_ _function is forbidden even if it is fitted on the original car._ _This includes anti-lock braking, damper, suspension or ride height_ _adjustment, power braking, four-wheel steering, moveable ballast._ _Semi-automatic or automatic gearboxes, power-driven clutches_ _with electronic or pneumatic control are forbidden unless they are_ _fitted on the series vehicle homologated by the FIA or from the list_ _of acceptable cars drawn up by the FIA._ _In this case, the manufacturer must provide the FIA with the_ _system for checking the whole control system of the series_ _gearbox and/or the series clutch._ _Differentials with electronic, pneumatic or hydraulic slip control are_ _forbidden._ _All torque sensors are forbidden on transmission system and_ _wheels (including the use of two rotation speed sensors on each_ _transversal transmission)._ _This restriction does not apply to cars having a semi-automatic or_ _automatic gearbox and/or a power-driven clutch with electronic or_ _pneumatic control fitted as standard and using these systems_ _under the conditions of article 258-9._ _Closed-loop electronically controlled systems are prohibited._ _A simple open-loop electrical switch activated by the driver acting_ _on a system is not considered to be an electronic control._ _Power steering may be employed as long as it is a simple system,_ _without programmable control._ [http://www.fiagt.com/system/\_download.php?filename=GT1\_Art\_258.pdf](http://www.fiagt.com/system/_download.php?filename=GT1_Art_258.pdf) [/left] ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/349 "2006-11-30T17:54:31Z")
All 1999-2005 Porsche GT3 varients (RSR, RS, Cup and GT3-R) came with Factory ABS. And I appriciate your posting, voicing your opinion on the forum that this server is based from :tup: So if that’s the case, I’ll settle for no ABS but traction control, though I’d prefer the other way. ---
**Author:** ![dmoffitt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dmoffitt/32/7455_2.png) [@dmoffitt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dmoffitt)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/350 "2006-11-30T18:06:12Z")
I just want to have fun / play a GAME. Don’t make it so hard that a n00b like me can’t enjoy it / is just lap traffic. fuck that. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/351 "2006-11-30T18:51:11Z")
Soooo I just went in game, and tried again, just to appease Rick. I did 10 laps with aids on low, and 10 laps with everything off at Mosport (argueably my best track). Low: Fastest 1:18.7 Average: 1:20.2 Off: Fastest: 1:20.5 Average 1:22.4 Not to mention, it was a 90 degree day, with super softs, and I spun through T1 rolling into the throttle in 4th gear, holy UNREALISTIC batman. ---
**Author:** ![Garick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8797f3/32.png) [@Garick](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Garick)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/352 "2006-11-30T20:16:50Z")
Do you use pedals? Otherwise I have no idea how wheelspin is that much of a problem… In the NGT cars at least I rarely get wheelspin in anything but 1st gear unless there is a crest or camber change. Some 2nd gear exits take a little bit of care but no problems past that. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/353 "2006-11-30T20:35:17Z")
Yes, I use pedals, no, I do no use binary throttle input. I’m quite used to driving high hp RWD cars in real life with no traction control and I can tell you they handle much closer to those in the game with traction control. I cannot exit a corner in 2nd gear with more than 50% throttle, without spinning, period. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/354 "2006-11-30T20:50:10Z")
> [@KJordan](#): > > I know I’m just a nobody on this forum. But as someone who’s had a lot of fun racing with you guys, I have to make a correction here. As far as I know, the FIA allows traction control, but not ABS or SMS. > > [left][/left] > _ **Any other automatic or electronic chassis control system or** _ > > **_function is forbidden even if it is fitted on the original car._** > > **_This includes anti-lock braking_, damper, suspension or ride height** > > **_adjustment, power braking, four-wheel steering, moveable ballast._** Leave it to a cc’er to bring the tech. I don’t know why you might be getting excessive wheel spin, MPD47. I don’t use any aids and have no trouble hitting full throttle at or just past apex on most corners. In fact, I use throttle on oversteer (read rear wheel spin) in the 360 to help rotate the car. My opinion may not mean much here but it doesn’t make any difference to me whether people use aids or not. The only thing I know is that the more drivers on the server every night the better. It gets kind of boring with only a couple of guys there. ---
**Author:** ![Phil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@Phil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Phil)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/355 "2006-11-30T21:11:09Z")
Yeah…I sucked so bad I had to quit. ☹ But its definitely manageable, I’ll admit that. But I’m 100% more consistant with the aids on low than off. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/356 "2006-12-01T09:02:07Z")
> [@Parsons](#): > > In fact, I use throttle on oversteer (read rear wheel spin) in the 360 to help rotate the car. I’m well aware of what throttle oversteer is. ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/357 "2006-12-01T09:44:59Z")
Both servers are now set to simulation mode, one with aids, one without. ---
**Author:** ![Zong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zong/32/7580_2.png) [@Zong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zong)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/358 "2006-12-01T19:57:43Z")
Why can I not find the NYSPEED server in Simulation? ---
**Author:** ![Zong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zong/32/7580_2.png) [@Zong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zong)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/359 "2006-12-01T21:44:24Z")
So, I practiced for about 20 minutes with no aids whatsoever just now (full simulation mode) and then hit the 'ring to really master the weight transitions as well as the crazy elevation changes with all aids off… Got under 8 minutes around Nordschleife in 2 tries with a GT3RSR… ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/zg326/nordschleife.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/zg326/nordschleife.jpg) I’m satisfied for the night 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2006, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079/360 "2006-12-02T07:07:41Z")
I lost internet around 10pm, so that took down the one I was hosting. As for Rx3 no idea. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/come-play-gtr2/24079.md?page=19)