# Coyotes file for Chapter 11 **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [May 6, 2009, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373 "2009-05-06T10:23:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FBodyMadnezz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fbodymadnezz/32/7433_2.png) [@FBodyMadnezz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FBodyMadnezz)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/21 "2009-05-06T15:24:32Z")
ide rather see Winnipeg also. 2 weeks ago i went to Toronto for a tournament and between Rochester and Toronto passed at least 5 pro/semi pro teams. (amerks, marlies, bulldogs, sabres, and maple leafs) It was only a 3 hour drive ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/22 "2009-05-06T15:25:52Z")
winnipeg , hartford, quebec… any of those would do just fine 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/23 "2009-05-06T15:34:55Z")
the 3 teams in 80 miles isnt a HUGE deal NY rangers NY islanders and NJ devils come to mind… While the market and population are larger there… The hockey population in this area can CERTAINLY support 3 teams ---
**Author:** ![FBodyMadnezz](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fbodymadnezz/32/7433_2.png) [@FBodyMadnezz](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/FBodyMadnezz)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/24 "2009-05-06T15:36:10Z")
:uhh: I heard Kansas City wants a team 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Carbonfiberhooded](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carbonfiberhooded/32/7608_2.png) [@Carbonfiberhooded](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carbonfiberhooded)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/25 "2009-05-06T15:51:15Z")
Toronto needs a second team. Leafs fans can’t even watch a live game in their home rink unless they want to shell out $300 a ticket and sit in the nosebleeds. Prices are out of control there. Everything is corporate there. Businesses shell out big bucks to take clients and potential clients to the games and no one is back to their seats until half the period is over after an intermission. I’ve heard the above story from countless Leaf fans that come to Buffalo to watch the Leafs every year. That’s got to suck. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/26 "2009-05-06T15:58:13Z")
> [@eMKay](#): > > Recently the NHL players union expressed it’s wish that there be two Toronto NHL teams, now this news comes about. Well maybe they will get their wish. The Toronto area can easily support two, NYC has 3. > > [http://www.upi.com/Sports\_News/2009/04/23/NHL-in-talks-about-second-Toronto-team/UPI-42871240492062/](http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2009/04/23/NHL-in-talks-about-second-Toronto-team/UPI-42871240492062/) x2 Toronto can easily handle two NHL teams. ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/27 "2009-05-06T17:32:02Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Haha… they wont go to Hamilton. > > My guess is a second Toronto team, and yes, either way this will hurt the Sabres imho. Try people watching during the intermissions at HSBC. EVERYONE has Canadian accents lol. > > JETS FTMFW! Everyone having Canadian accents…what? Are you only going to Buf-Toronto games? ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/28 "2009-05-06T21:29:46Z")
One has to wonder how a second southern Ontario team would be recieved though. Leaf allegiance is very high and it might be difficult to try to steal fans. ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/29 "2009-05-07T11:26:22Z")
I don’t think this team would steal fans, though. There are A LOT of Leaf haters in S.Ontario, and that’s why some of them became fans of the Sabres. Put a team of their own in their backyard, and they’ll have instant support. The die-hard Leaf fans aren’t going anywhere; it’s the fair weather fans that they’ll grab. I think it would be very interesting. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/30 "2009-05-07T11:46:27Z")
[http://www.wgrz.com/sports/story.aspx?storyid=66515&catid=4](http://www.wgrz.com/sports/story.aspx?storyid=66515&catid=4) > Under normal circumstances, Balsillie would need league approval to make such a move, and the Sabres source said it would be unlikely the league would grant that approval. On the other hand, bankruptcy proceedings are complicated and unpredictable, **and the Sabres view this as a potentially damaging situation for the Sabres due to their number of season ticket holders from Ontario.** > While there has been speculation about the Sabres having territorial rights to keep a team out of Hamilton, the fact is, there is no clear cut NHL rule pertaining to that. An NHL franchise in Hamilton could have a direct effect on the Sabres attendance, but that franchise would probably have very little effect on the Toronto Maple Leafs, who play in a vastly larger market. ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/31 "2009-05-07T11:48:52Z")
Well I don’t like the sound of that at all. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/32 "2009-05-07T11:49:26Z")
I forgot to add that i first came in here hoping it was the shitty bar. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/33 "2009-05-07T11:50:38Z")
the sabres should be concerned about their team not making the playoffs damaging their season ticket sales, not another team in canuck land. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/34 "2009-05-07T12:03:28Z")
> [@Geehee](#): > > the sabres should be concerned about their team not making the playoffs damaging their season ticket sales, not another team in canuck land. orly? 01/02 didn’t make the playoffs 02/03 didn’t make the playoffs 03/04 didn’t make the playoffs 04/05 the lockout 05/06 deep in the playoffs 06/07 deep in the playoffs 07/08 didn’t make the playoffs 08/09 didn’t make the playoffs 2 times in the last 7 seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Geehee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/geehee/32/7238_2.png) [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/35 "2009-05-07T12:04:47Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > orly? > > 01/02 didn’t make the playoffs > 02/03 didn’t make the playoffs > 03/04 didn’t make the playoffs > 04/05 the lockout > 05/06 deep in the playoffs > 06/07 deep in the playoffs > 07/08 didn’t make the playoffs > 08/09 didn’t make the playoffs > > 2 times in the last 7 seasons. GO LINDY! I bet sales went way up after 05/06. and now are probably dropping due to poor preformance. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/36 "2009-05-07T12:08:40Z")
> [@Geehee](#): > > I bet sales went way up after 05/06. and now are probably dropping due to poor preformance. I said that after they did nothing in the off season to make up for the 07/08 season and ended up buying lunch because I bet a co-worker they wouldn’t have a waiting list for season tickets in 08/09. They’ll still sell out for 09/10 with a shitty product because it’s still better than watching high school hockey and way cheaper/accessible than Toronto games for our Ontario ticket holders. And that’s exactly why a Hamilton team scares the organization. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/37 "2009-05-07T12:19:40Z")
I’m still in favor of a ticket price hike contingent on actually spending the money to have a good product. Something like $20 per game tacked on for all seats with a clause that if they don’t make the playoffs, season ticket holders get a refund on the difference. The crazy money people spent on scalped tickets during the playoff run shows that we will pay for a decent product. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/38 "2009-05-07T12:50:57Z")
Am I the only one who thought of the bar in Depew? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/39 "2009-05-07T12:52:05Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I forgot to add that i first came in here hoping it was the shitty bar. > [@boxxa](#): > > Am I the only one who thought of the bar in Depew? No. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/coyotes-file-for-chapter-11/67373/40 "2009-05-07T12:55:33Z")
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