# Current Automotive Flops. **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 4, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807 "2007-10-04T17:34:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/21 "2007-10-05T06:56:39Z")
ya, i guess i was alittle surprised about the solstice. so noone likes them or what? i think they are cool. ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/22 "2007-10-05T07:12:54Z")
> [@Newman, miss the taste of bacon?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/newman-miss-the-taste-of-bacon/32865/7): > > ya, i guess i was alittle surprised about the solstice. so noone likes them or what? i think they are cool. if you’re a chick, the solstice is awesome. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jph102900](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jph102900/32/6049_2.png) [@jph102900](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jph102900)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/23 "2007-10-05T07:27:17Z")
> [@my new gti.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-new-gti/32863/17): > > if you’re a chick, the solstice is awesome. 😃 What about the GXP model. Those are pretty nice IMO. Did you watch “The Setup” on Speed? They used these for all of their racing events and they looked pretty quick. ---
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/24 "2007-10-05T07:41:46Z")
> [@my new gti.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-new-gti/32863/17): > > if you’re a chick, the solstice is awesome. 😃 well im not sayin its anything id be rushing out to buy, but its no more feminen than an s2000, i wouldnt think. and lik said about, the gxp probly runs good. ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/25 "2007-10-05T07:46:18Z")
miata, solstice, z3/z4, s2000, \*.small convertible are all chick cars. 😃 Sad to say, but the s2000 is the “manliest” of this type of car. ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/26 "2007-10-05T07:47:01Z")
> [@she just doesnt learn... lohan arrested again](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/she-just-doesnt-learn-lohan-arrested-again/32868/3): > > What about the GXP model. Those are pretty nice IMO. Did you watch “The Setup” on Speed? They used these for all of their racing events and they looked pretty quick. it could be the quickest car in the world, it doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a chick car. ---
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/27 "2007-10-05T07:51:53Z")
i agree to an extent…i wouldnt own any of those cars (not that they are bad, just i dont like roadster-type cars), but its a def plus when they perform pretty respectable, as the gxp probably does. ---
**Author:** ![jph102900](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jph102900/32/6049_2.png) [@jph102900](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jph102900)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/28 "2007-10-05T07:52:44Z")
> [@my new gti.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-new-gti/32863/18): > > it could be the quickest car in the world, it doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s a chick car. So if it doesn’t have a top does that make it a chick car? ---
**Author:** ![95V8TBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/a8b319/32.png) [@95V8TBird](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95V8TBird)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/29 "2007-10-05T07:53:41Z")
i think it is a shame what they did to the T-bird, Ford killed it off for good by designing it the way they did. I was hoping after they stopped production in 1997, that they would bring it back, at least keeping somewhat to the same style as the MN12 design with a new Super Coupe model. It was supposed to be out in 1998, redesigned, and there were 2 SVT Thunderbirds built for promotion, with a supercharged DOHC 4.6 in them. Then they stopped production and crushed one of the SVT models. So there is one 1998 Thunderbird out there somewhere. Id love to have that one. But the new thunderbird just sucked. I drove one, and it had no balls whatsoever. It was a yuppy car built for people in their mid to late 40’s ---
**Author:** ![jph102900](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jph102900/32/6049_2.png) [@jph102900](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jph102900)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/30 "2007-10-05T08:07:50Z")
> [@my new gti.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-new-gti/32863/19): > > i think it is a shame what they did to the T-bird, Ford killed it off for good by designing it the way they did. I was hoping after they stopped production in 1997, that they would bring it back, at least keeping somewhat to the same style as the MN12 design with a new Super Coupe model. It was supposed to be out in 1998, redesigned, and there were 2 SVT Thunderbirds built for promotion, with a supercharged DOHC 4.6 in them. Then they stopped production and crushed one of the SVT models. So there is one 1998 Thunderbird out there somewhere. Id love to have that one. But the new thunderbird just sucked. I drove one, and it had no balls whatsoever. It was a yuppy car built for people in their mid to late 40’s The newest generation thunderbirds are the ugliest cars I have ever seen. Not even in the same market as the old thunderbirds which were actually pretty cool cars. Ford really messed up there. ---
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/31 "2007-10-05T08:12:20Z")
as much as i dont even wanna start the arguement or bring it up, if it already hadnt been dropped, youd have to put the GTO in for a flop too. ---
**Author:** ![Zack01GC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a183cd/32.png) [@Zack01GC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zack01GC)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/32 "2007-10-05T08:15:38Z")
The Thunderbird was Fords opportunity to make a fast 2 seater, along the lines of a Solstice or S2000 in my eyes, but they made it a big ol’ luxury cruiser with 250 HP, and a “last stand” in it’s final years of production bumping it to 280 HP. I mean, they originally meant for luxury cruisers, but they could have done something with it. I’ll have to dig up the pic of the Saleen Thunderbird that never came to be. Edit: The ONLY new T-Bird I would drive. ![http://mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA2002/mustangworldSEMAh134.JPG](http://mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA2002/mustangworldSEMAh134.JPG) ![http://mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA2002/mustangworldSEMAh138.JPG](http://mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA2002/mustangworldSEMAh138.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/33 "2007-10-05T08:16:08Z")
> [@she just doesnt learn... lohan arrested again](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/she-just-doesnt-learn-lohan-arrested-again/32868/6): > > as much as i dont even wanna start the arguement or bring it up, if it already hadnt been dropped, youd have to put the GTO in for a flop too. you might as well add the new camaro to the list now. :D:D:D:D:D ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/34 "2007-10-05T09:04:28Z")
> [@Newman, miss the taste of bacon?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/newman-miss-the-taste-of-bacon/32865/9): > > The Thunderbird was Fords opportunity to make a fast 2 seater, along the lines of a Solstice or S2000 in my eyes, but they made it a big ol’ luxury cruiser with 250 HP, and a “last stand” in it’s final years of production bumping it to 280 HP. I mean, they originally meant for luxury cruisers, but they could have done something with it. I’ll have to dig up the pic of the Saleen Thunderbird that never came to be. > > Edit: The ONLY new T-Bird I would drive. i wouldnt… yuck! ---
**Author:** ![jph102900](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jph102900/32/6049_2.png) [@jph102900](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jph102900)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/35 "2007-10-05T09:14:26Z")
> [@she just doesnt learn... lohan arrested again](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/she-just-doesnt-learn-lohan-arrested-again/32868/15): > > i wouldnt… > > yuck! Same here. Just as ugly as the original. ---
**Author:** ![Zack01GC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a183cd/32.png) [@Zack01GC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zack01GC)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/36 "2007-10-05T09:37:00Z")
It’s ugly, but an improvement over stock IMO. After looking at the article again, I would see the Scion xA as more of a flop than the xB ---
**Author:** ![dgramc](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dgramc/32/5934_2.png) [@dgramc](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dgramc)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/37 "2007-10-05T11:20:32Z")
> [@she just doesnt learn... lohan arrested again](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/she-just-doesnt-learn-lohan-arrested-again/32868/17): > > It’s ugly, but an improvement over stock IMO. > > After looking at the article again, I would see the Scion xA as more of a flop than the xB ill say it again…the article is about cars that sould fairly well, then leveled off and stopped selling, not about cars that never sold…the article is not about flops ---
**Author:** ![Zack01GC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a183cd/32.png) [@Zack01GC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zack01GC)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/38 "2007-10-05T11:24:26Z")
I’d say a car that never sold is more of a failure. My take on a flop is something that sold well, then sales dropped off as time passed. ---
**Author:** ![95V8TBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/a8b319/32.png) [@95V8TBird](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95V8TBird)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/39 "2007-10-05T12:34:16Z")
This is the Thunderbird I would love to own: ![http://www.tccoa.com/articles/clipings/tbirdarticle.jpg](http://www.tccoa.com/articles/clipings/tbirdarticle.jpg) edit: more pics ![http://thunderbird.stangnet.com/images/SVTSC3-205.jpg](http://thunderbird.stangnet.com/images/SVTSC3-205.jpg) ![http://thunderbird.stangnet.com/images/svtpic01.jpg](http://thunderbird.stangnet.com/images/svtpic01.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![jph102900](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jph102900/32/6049_2.png) [@jph102900](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jph102900)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2007, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807/40 "2007-10-05T12:37:07Z")
You could always find a cobra 4.6 (or even a 5.0 maybe) and drop it into your current T-Bird. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/current-automotive-flops/192807.md?page=3)