# Decreasing the ingress/egress of my daily driver to lotus proportions **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [September 25, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002 "2006-09-25T15:54:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/1 "2006-09-25T15:54:40Z")
![http://www.safedrives.com/prodimages/autopower/apcages_lg.gif](http://www.safedrives.com/prodimages/autopower/apcages_lg.gif) bolt in… ![http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2344000-2344999/2344146_4_full.jpg](http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2344000-2344999/2344146_4_full.jpg) ![http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2344000-2344999/2344146_5_full.jpg](http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2344000-2344999/2344146_5_full.jpg) ![http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2344000-2344999/2344146_6_full.jpg](http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/2344000-2344999/2344146_6_full.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/2 "2006-09-25T15:56:29Z")
autopower? i was impressed with the 4-point i got from them for the price. could be improved by welding larger footing areas though. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/3 "2006-09-25T15:57:28Z")
mine won’t have those big white things tho… at least not by tonight. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JDMR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdmr2/32/7587_2.png) [@JDMR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JDMR2)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/4 "2006-09-25T15:58:08Z")
it never ends does it… ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/5 "2006-09-25T15:59:39Z")
whoever installed the harnesses in that car is the retarded. also make sure to pad everything within reach with sfi padding. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/6 "2006-09-25T16:02:11Z")
Newman, PLEASE pad everything appropriately, and as was stated, whoever installed those harnesses is a fucking retard. Stick with the 3 point or install them correctly (and get the harness bar welded in the correct position). Unfortunetly I’ve found with Autopower that the harness bar is in a universal position which makes the cage a death trap for 99% of cars (if they were to get into an accident). ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/7 "2006-09-25T16:04:10Z")
i bout 12 feet of this: [http://safedrives.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BSCI-DDpad&cat=72](http://safedrives.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BSCI%2DDDpad&cat=72) i already have 4 points mounted really low… I KNOW… deadly… ---
**Author:** ![Anonymity](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/anonymity/32/7215_2.png) [@Anonymity](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Anonymity)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/8 "2006-09-25T17:20:09Z")
do they have akit for your car? ---
**Author:** ![Ovrwrkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ovrwrkd/32/7586_2.png) [@Ovrwrkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ovrwrkd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/9 "2006-09-25T18:41:47Z")
So what would be the overall purpose of the cage in your daily? Do you actually plan to autocross/track the car? Or maybe even rally it? If this is going to stay your daily driver and nothing else, you’re really just wasting your money. As for the question at hand: I really can’t see a bolt-in cage being anywhere near as safe as a properly welded-in cage. ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/10 "2006-09-25T18:53:59Z")
I dunno, I hear a lot of “For the Price” but at the same time, lots of people who who have gotten autopower stuff and say it’s one step above monkeybars… ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/11 "2006-09-25T19:03:08Z")
> [@Daddie](#): > > I dunno, I hear a lot of “For the Price” but at the same time, lots of people who who have gotten autopower stuff and say it’s one step above monkeybars… yeah… they’re just for looks… ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/FrescoGreenEG6/2a41dc26.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/2/5/25a08f498243d242986edefea2149849ce373b4c.jpeg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/FrescoGreenEG6/IMG_2213.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/5/b5be090dd2d6ecd7cf289c573ec569f7114e55ab.jpeg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/FrescoGreenEG6/IMG_2212.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/e/2/e28096e316a40c4860e4f78edbb92da1b6ab8e33.jpeg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/FrescoGreenEG6/IMG_2211.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/a/9/a941d97ff5a0e166deb2b8561502c97e21af1112.jpeg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/FrescoGreenEG6/IMG_2209.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/b/bbad5f8a6892a8886d71d689727caec1588ec44b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woody/32/7191_2.png) [@woody](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woody)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/12 "2006-09-25T19:15:01Z")
why would a bolt in cage be less safe than welded? welded might be a bit stronger but really the structural integrety is in the piping, not in the welds/bolts. i could be wrong i guess, i dont know much about cages. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/13 "2006-09-25T19:19:15Z")
Thank goodness he had that duckbill on there because otherwise he would not have cleared that scarecrow. Phew. But back on topic–with your current arrangement this is the only real way to go. ---
**Author:** ![dozr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/41988e/32.png) [@dozr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dozr)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/14 "2006-09-25T19:21:13Z")
you want to see a nice sti cage… stop by the GNM shop. ---
**Author:** ![vq30de](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9dc877/32.png) [@vq30de](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vq30de)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/15 "2006-09-25T19:25:06Z")
> [@Itagaki](#): > > So what would be the overall purpose of the cage in your daily? Do you actually plan to autocross/track the car? Or maybe even rally it? If this is going to stay your daily driver and nothing else, you’re really just wasting your money. b/c he knows next time he driftos into a curb he wont be so lucky… \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Ovrwrkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ovrwrkd/32/7586_2.png) [@Ovrwrkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ovrwrkd)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/16 "2006-09-25T19:32:34Z")
> [@vq30de](#): > > b/c he knows next time he driftos into a curb he wont be so lucky… > > \<3 Ahhhhhhh. Point taken 😉 ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/17 "2006-09-25T19:39:28Z")
almost all of the autopower race roll bars are scca, nasa, and imsa legal. they are not nhra legal. for a full cage afaik they need to DOM, which autopower offers. with proper installation, harnesses, padding, seats and seat positioning, they are certainly a safety upgrade, and stiffen the chassis significantly. is there better available? absolutely. hack job installations or trying to combine say an unpadded bar with improper harness mounting is asking for disaster. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/18 "2006-09-25T20:16:30Z")
Newman, how much are you planning on spending on this? I’m willing to bet one of the local cage fabricators can do you something custom (similar) for $600-$1000. ---
**Author:** ![ChevyChase](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/chevychase/32/4952_2.png) [@ChevyChase](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ChevyChase)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/19 "2006-09-25T20:20:13Z")
my dad said do it right and get a cage welded in… he lost a friend to a bolted cage drag racing… just to save a few bucks ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002/20 "2006-09-25T20:20:16Z")
Did they prove that it was due to a bolt-in point failing? I’m not denying that a proper weld in is better, but a bolt in cage with large enough backing plates sandwiching the metal is fairly strong. I remember some people on honda tech a few years back saying that a bolt in roll bar (4 point, mind you) was the cause that a friend of theirs had died. It turned out that he went into a pole or tree sideways at around 70 into the driver door. :bloated: Nothing is going to make you invincible. Custom is nice, but id guess itd be closer to $2k for a 6/8 point, with a lot of down/fabrication time. [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/decreasing-the-ingress-egress-of-my-daily-driver-to-lotus-proportions/18002.md?page=2)