# diagram of "who owns who" in the automotive world **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 24, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032 "2007-02-24T01:00:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HotRodKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hotrodkid/32/7609_2.png) [@HotRodKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HotRodKid)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/1 "2007-02-24T01:00:46Z")
probably the LEAST confusing way to have it all layed out **image needs updating, who wants to photoshop it ?** ![http://i13.tinypic.com/2qdd252.jpg](http://i13.tinypic.com/2qdd252.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ImportMuscle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/importmuscle/32/7615_2.png) [@ImportMuscle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ImportMuscle)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/2 "2007-02-24T02:00:50Z")
wait, i thought KIA was owned by ford? and LOL at Fiat owning maserati. Poor guys, theyre like the unwanted whore of the european market. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/3 "2007-02-24T05:42:01Z")
100% Honda? What about Acura? I believe Porsche is the only truely independent production car company. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/4 "2007-02-24T06:31:08Z")
[quote=“AWDrifter,post:3,topic:25032"”] 100% Honda? What about Acura? I believe Porsche is the only truely independent production car company. [/quote] For that same case what about Infiniti? How do you figure?, Touareg wasn’t an independent effort… ---
**Author:** ![redrum](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrum/32/7398_2.png) [@redrum](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/redrum)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/5 "2007-02-24T06:33:24Z")
afaik porsche owns about a fifth of VW. ---
**Author:** ![Justin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justin/32/7459_2.png) [@Justin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Justin)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/6 "2007-02-24T06:44:36Z")
That is ether really old or just inaccurate. VW and and Porsche should be tied in somehow, and where is Scion with Toyota? ---
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/7 "2007-02-24T07:05:59Z")
Word, that is just not right, Porsche and VW are tied together, where is infinity and acura, I thought some one owns a stake in lotus, I didn’t think Daewoo made cars any more, and wtf is with Samsung ---
**Author:** ![RobHimself](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e480ec/32.png) [@RobHimself](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RobHimself)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/8 "2007-02-24T07:09:44Z")
GM sold their share of subar to Toyota ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/9 "2007-02-24T07:09:49Z")
[quote=“66impalass,post:7,topic:25032"”] and wtf is with Samsung [/quote] Probably Samasung heavy industries, like trucks, semis, forklifts, buses… But then what about Fuji Heavy Industries… And if you are considering electronics what about Mistsubishi and Toshiba… ---
**Author:** ![eMKay](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/emkay/32/7428_2.png) [@eMKay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eMKay)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/10 "2007-02-24T07:20:56Z")
[quote=“01AudiS4,post:6,topic:25032"”] That is ether really old or just inaccurate. VW and and Porsche should be tied in somehow, and where is Scion with Toyota? [/quote] Scion is Toyota. Acura is Honda. Infinity is Nissan. Ferrari owns Maserati, not Fiat (who owns a majority of Ferrari) GM no longer owns any Fiat, or Subaru. It’s a pretty old chart. ---
**Author:** ![Rx3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rx3/32/7194_2.png) [@Rx3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rx3)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/11 "2007-02-24T07:25:11Z")
Honda created Acura as a “brand” for the US market. They are not separate. Acura = Honda. Honda = Acura. In most cases (financial, etc) Acura doesn’t really exist and is not mentioned, as Honda is the company recognized by the rest of the world. I would think the same is true of Infiniti, so the diagrams are slightly wrong. Just as Toyota has Lexus shown, they should have done the same for Acura and Infiniti. As for Porsche, they own a 27% portion of VW. They were never acquired by VW. Porsche bought 15% or so back in the day to prevent a hostile foreign takeover of VW. The chart is a couple years old. Maybe close to a decade. Definitely not 100% accurate for today. ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/12 "2007-02-24T08:27:02Z")
[quote=“AWDrifter,post:3,topic:25032"”] 100% Honda? What about Acura? I believe Porsche is the only truely independent production car company. [/quote] they are strictly northamerican luxury divisions…the same cars are over in europe and wherever with the parent badges on…ex: Honda Integra so odds are this chart is not from the US :gotme: and you are correct about porsche…despite old people telling me all the time its owned by VW :bloated: EDIT: rick beat me to it 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/13 "2007-02-24T09:04:39Z")
Ferrari no longer owns Masterati, Fiat controls them now. That happened late last year. Lotus is owned 51% by VW now. Porsche owns 29% or 33% of VW/Audi Group (whatever the max for german law is before making a formal take over offer). I also could’ve sworn GM sold their share of Subaru. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/14 "2007-02-24T09:04:46Z")
[quote=“fairgentleman Z,post:9,topic:25032"”] Probably Samasung heavy industries, like trucks, semis, forklifts, buses… But then what about Fuji Heavy Industries… And if you are considering electronics what about Mistsubishi and Toshiba… [/quote] This is interesting that one of the biggest Nissan people on the forum doesn’t know this… Samsung was ready to start a promising car company, but a few years later the Japanese financial crisis happened and Renault bought control of the company. They sell rebranded Datsuns. Err. Nissans. It can be read in colorful detail here: > **[Renault Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Samsung_Motors)** > > Renault Korea (Korean: 르노코리아), is a South Korean car manufacturer headquartered in Busan where its single assembly site is also located, with additional facilities at Seoul (administration), Giheung (research and development) and Daegu (vehicle testing). > The company was first established as Samsung Motors in 1994 by the chaebol Samsung, with technical assistance from Nissan. It started selling cars in 1998, just before South Korea was hit by the East Asian financial crisis. In 2000, it became ... I don’t know how I came across Samsung Motors. I think I typed Samsung into Wiki one day and then it linked to Samsung Motors and I read it. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/15 "2007-02-24T09:07:24Z")
Oh yeah, and Ford no longer owns Aston Martin. They do retain a 10% stake in them though. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_T](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mr_t/32/7454_2.png) [@Mr\_T](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mr_T)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/16 "2007-02-24T09:18:23Z")
interesting, good diagram ---
**Author:** ![brent\_strong](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/brent_strong/32/7203_2.png) [@brent\_strong](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/brent_strong)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/17 "2007-02-24T09:21:38Z")
[quote=“95mx6,post:16,topic:25032"”] interesting, good diagram [/quote] If you mean well drawn, yes, it’s great. But it’s not even CLOSE for accuracy, which is all I give a shit about. :smash2: ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/18 "2007-02-24T09:24:19Z")
dude, chills. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/19 "2007-02-24T10:08:45Z")
yeah the porsche thing confused me. cause its blatently obvious that the toureg and cayenne are the same basis ---
**Author:** ![Ddrop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ddrop](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ddrop)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2007, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032/20 "2007-02-24T10:18:56Z")
deff an old diagram. ford owned only 33% of mazda maybe back in the 90s… lol @ daewoo [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/diagram-of-who-owns-who-in-the-automotive-world/25032.md?page=2)