# Did Apple Screw the Pooch? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 10, 2015, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993 "2015-09-10T06:46:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/61 "2015-09-16T18:31:18Z")
> [@nermoria](#): > > Tesla is most definitely not a good comparison because Apple already had many products out and had a large following with the iPod which was already 6 years in production. Apple also timed it well enough where mobile technology was far along enough for something like this to happen. A Tesla type of vehicle could have been developed a lot earlier. The car manufacturers didn’t believe that it was impossible to make one or any of that, they just had no desire to do so. Every time they showed interest, the oil lobby got in the way. Not to mention that Apple already had enough finances, an OS etc to make it happen. Without government help and a lot of borrowed money, Tesla would have gone under long ago. > > I fail to see how not jumping on the Apple bandwagon translates to being an Apple hater. I don’t diss Apple, I believe it’s a great American company that looks at available trends and tech, and knows how to put everything together and make a hip and trendy product. They know how to create a following. However, the notion that all that they have come up with is a first in the industry and without that we would never be where we are today is dumb. This is not the case of the Apple I or Macintosh. There is a lot to say about taking a technology (even if you didn’t invent it), improving upon it and/or convincing the masses to adopt it. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/62 "2015-09-16T18:37:44Z")
Yea Google hasn’t really done anything useful there were search engines before. Facebook ripped off Friendster etc ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/63 "2015-09-16T18:38:50Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Yea Google hasn’t really done anything useful there were search engines before. > > Facebook ripped off Friendster > > etc ![http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/morcha/browsers/256/Netscape-icon.png](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/a/f/af5200e51b00d8897f14fbaf424dcd4c509b939e.png) ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/64 "2015-09-16T20:03:38Z")
Yes! ![http://www.nyspeed.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35583&stc=1](http://www.nyspeed.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35583&stc=1) ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/65 "2015-09-17T07:05:46Z")
I don’t think there is any question that Apple changed the industry with the first iPhone. Since then people expect them to innovate but instead, as with this latest announcement, they seem to just replicate even if they’re improving things incrementally. They’re just not as disruptive as they once were. But maybe the phone industry only has one more major evolution to make and it’s the elimination of the handheld device entirely. ![http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/awK9o9x_700b_v1.jpg](http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/awK9o9x_700b_v1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/66 "2015-09-17T07:11:09Z")
^+1 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/67 "2015-09-17T07:56:16Z")
Innovation is coming… ![http://37prime.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Futurama-eyePhone-1.jpg](http://37prime.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Futurama-eyePhone-1.jpg) ![http://scorpsportal.com/cms/files/posted_images/2/futurama_killer_app.png](http://scorpsportal.com/cms/files/posted_images/2/futurama_killer_app.png) ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/68 "2015-09-17T08:51:11Z")
^^^ lol, but seriously. I welcome our bionic future. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/69 "2015-09-20T18:05:08Z")
![http://cdn.bgr.com/2015/09/ios-9-adoption1.png?w=624&h=365](http://cdn.bgr.com/2015/09/ios-9-adoption1.png?w=624&h=365) **iOS 9 reached 20% adoption in under 3 days. Lollipop took 9 months.** [https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios\_9/from\_date:-3,report\_unit:hour,to\_date:0](https://mixpanel.com/trends/#report/ios_9/from_date:-3,report_unit:hour,to_date:0) ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/70 "2015-09-20T18:39:55Z")
I compare iOS 9 to how Android was 5 years ago… ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/71 "2015-09-21T06:04:20Z")
this stuff makes me lol so hard that something so stupid create TEAMS out of people that can’t admit the other team does anything good or cool. i admit when theres android or whatever companies things are kinda cool or when they have some neat new feature ive never heard of before. but those OTHER people would rather DIE than just admit that apple makes the best products. its like non apple users just have to TRICK themselves into finding a way to justify that a product that looks the best, performs the best, sells the best, has the most support from companies that make apps and whatnot, is somehow not the best(??) because some feature came out first last year on a garbage phone no one wants? so weird. brb. posting this from my calculator because my android samsung htc google note apple ripoff froze and I’m taking the battery out or something goofy. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/72 "2015-09-21T06:29:25Z")
> [@King](#): > > this stuff makes me lol so hard that something so stupid create TEAMS out of people that can’t admit the other team does anything good or cool. It’s just like anything else. You have people who say Ford is the best car in the world and refuse to drive anything but Fords. Then you have people who have zero brand loyalty, have driven and owned all kinds of different brands, and will say that the car they’re driving right now was the best for them because it did XYZ better than the make/model they owned before. With Android you have a lot of “OMG, APPLE SUCKS SO BAD, ANDROID IS MY ONE ONLY TRUE LORD AND SAVIOR” but they have never actually owned an Apple product. That’s the part I find hilarious. I group them the same as the backwoods rednecks who have never owned anything but Ferd F-teenthousands so the Ferd f-teenthousand must be the best truck ever made. ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/73 "2015-09-21T21:24:14Z")
> [@King](#): > > but those OTHER people would rather DIE than just admit that apple makes the best products. We’re all (mostly) adults here! This is an argument we had when we were kids. These things are matters of opinion, not fact. There are plenty of people who will say that Linux based OS’s are the best, and you cannot make a sensible adult case to the contrary. You mention things I’ve never had to experience with my phones btw, the only time i had to switch one was when I did something like drop it in a bucket of water or crack from falling. I’ve had Apple products and I didn’t like them. When the Ipod came out, that was the craze. Sure for most people it was great because it was their foray into technology. I already had a PC with gigabytes worth of Music and the idea that I cant just plug in my mp3 player and drag and drop songs onto it was stupid to me. Even though they weren’t as sleek or anything, at that time I would rather go with a Zune or other mp3 player, because it fit my needs. When you have all these Apple products come out and the herd says “OMG teh best! Never been done before, How radical! Game Changing, Dawn of a new age” and if I point out that it’s not really so, that makes me a hater? That’s childish! It’s the same argument if you were saying that BMW is actually “The Ultimate Driving Machine”, claiming that it’s the best and anybody that doesn’t agree with you is a hater and “lol omg you drive dat ricer fartcan? Hope it makes it to the next shop before it brakes ZOMG!!!”. I’ll be blunt, that’s a very dumb world view. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/74 "2015-09-22T10:44:45Z")
How many playlists have people shared on their android phones from touching them?! ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/75 "2015-09-24T11:19:47Z")
One of my developer buddies bought a Moto G just for testing some of his android app dev (he’s an iphone guy). Just had this convo with him via gChat. > Him: so i bought a Moto G for mobile dev cause I gave my mom the 1st gen I got from my last job.got it 3 weeks ago. > last week I popped in a SIM card, gets stuck coming out, gold pin breaks off. > dead phone. > I had to go 3 rounds with Motorola tech support in El Salvador. > I swear every cent I give to apple for my iPhone is worth it. > one, they’ve managed to figure out how not to fuck up the SIM contact points. > two, if something happens I’m one trip away from getting it fixed. > Motorola? > I get to send it to texas and I’ll get it back in a week or two. > imagine that was my actual phone. > > **me:** this was a new phone? > him: brand new > fuck that shit. > **me:** pretty ridiculous they can’t at least do an advance ship 2 day air > him: oh, they can do advance ship, but for $25. > **me:** so we fucked up, but we’d like to make $25 more just to help you out ---
**Author:** ![evane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@evane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/evane)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/76 "2015-09-24T12:13:36Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > One of my developer buddies bought a Moto G just for testing some of his android app dev (he’s an iphone guy). Just had this convo with him via gChat. > > [/FONT] That’s almost as funny as the Samsung S-Pen gets stuck when you put it in backwards. ---
**Author:** ![nermoria](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9e5f3/32.png) [@nermoria](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nermoria)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/77 "2015-09-24T16:16:32Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > One of my developer buddies bought a Moto G just for testing some of his android app dev (he’s an iphone guy). Just had this convo with him via gChat. > > [/FONT] There’s no question that a company has a lot more power and ease when it practically controls the particular market segment. Take a look at China and the USA. If the Chinese want to do something about infrastructure or Healthcare, the military or environmental regs, they just do it. On the other extreme end of the spectrum you have incompetent Washington that can’t get anything done no matter how sensible it should be. Doesn’t mean I want to live there instead of here ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/78 "2015-10-08T13:48:01Z")
Aparently Apple gave some new iPad Pro’s to Disney for animators to play with. Seems like it took off pretty well as the video had them mentioning buying them for studio use. ---
**Author:** ![King](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/king/32/7329_2.png) [@King](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/King)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/79 "2015-10-09T05:29:32Z")
> [@nermoria](#): > > There’s no question that a company has a lot more power and ease when it practically controls the particular market segment. Take a look at China and the USA. If the Chinese want to do something about infrastructure or Healthcare, the military or environmental regs, they just do it. On the other extreme end of the spectrum you have incompetent Washington that can’t get anything done no matter how sensible it should be. Doesn’t mean I want to live there instead of here [https://media.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif(image larger than 10 MB)](https://media.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif) ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/did-apple-screw-the-pooch/272993/80 "2015-10-15T05:58:57Z")
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