# Discuss:

**URL:** <https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078>\
**Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\
**Created:** [May 11, 2009, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078 "2009-05-11T07:54:23Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/21 "2009-05-11T09:05:47Z")

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Whoa inappropriate.

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**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/22 "2009-05-11T09:30:39Z")

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> [@Finaly got the front bumper on the turbo sho - pix pix pix](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/finaly-got-the-front-bumper-on-the-turbo-sho-pix-pix-pix/18024/23):
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> I’ve figured out design inspiration for that rear jumble of bars…they were playing cats cradle (like most 16 yr old JDM-mad-tite d-bags do) and they said “word yo! that shit would look mad baller in my hizzatch” and thus was created the masterpiece featured above.  
> ![http://slowmuse.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/cats4.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/3/b3154acb24e7ab90c2d9caec00e9d66964f509d0.jpeg)

:rofl

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**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/23 "2009-05-11T14:03:06Z")

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> [@Yay for the quality on the Suzuki Forenza ... and Ki-Po's amazing service staff ....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/yay-for-the-quality-on-the-suzuki-forenza-and-ki-pos-amazing-service-staff/17637/11):
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> and begin argument of how those bars actually serve a purpose…now

person rear ends you doing a hundred in a geo storm… they are not wearing their seatbelt because they are retarded. When he flys through your back windshield those bars will be there to save your life

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**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/24 "2009-05-11T14:20:26Z")

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I always thought those bars were just for show, but I don’t really know. I do know the price tag on them is well over 1k new though.

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**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/25 "2009-05-11T14:54:28Z")

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thats just for the X, imagine how much the other 4 cost.

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**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/26 "2009-05-11T14:55:59Z")

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damnit, can’t see anything:(

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**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/27 "2009-05-11T14:56:26Z")

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I’m not even hosting this one. :lol

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**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/28 "2009-05-11T14:59:06Z")

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Hmm, the most confusing thing…wtffff. Even when I quote it, there’s no text like with the “.jpg” or [IMG] things

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**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/29 "2009-05-11T15:11:21Z")

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> [@The war we all need to be fighting.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-war-we-all-need-to-be-fighting/18020/6):
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> thats just for the X, imagine how much the other 4 cost.

The full set usually goes for 1k to 1200 used if you can find it. I don’t know how much it is new.

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**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/30 "2009-05-11T15:13:11Z")

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oh so they sell it with those other four bars now?

who sells them? I can’t even remember?

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**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/31 "2009-05-11T15:16:11Z")

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They are an option when you buy it I think. The company name is Miracle.

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**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/32 "2009-05-11T15:18:48Z")

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So stupid, why don’t they do any R&D on it and realize that if all the mounting points are solid it won’t be stiff at all.

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**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/33 "2009-05-11T15:23:51Z")

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Sorry the company is called Next and the bar is $1200 new with just the top and bottom bar. I can’t find the little side bars anywhere.

What do you think about this Mike?  
 ![http://www.emracing.com/products/cpt01.jpg](http://www.emracing.com/products/cpt01.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/34 "2009-05-11T15:27:50Z")

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I think it wouldn’t be that bad if it had solid mounts and no pivot points. of course even then you could have a Joe off the street weld it up for your properly for $300 including materials.

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**Author:** ![Kicklow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kicklow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Kicklow)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/35 "2009-05-11T15:59:06Z")

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im gunna get every kind of possible bar i can and put it in the em1! em racing/miracle/next/cusco/carbing!

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**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/36 "2009-05-11T18:54:35Z")

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You’re practically half way there already

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**Author:** ![Kicklow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kicklow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Kicklow)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/37 "2009-05-11T19:03:02Z")

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im gunna go all the way baby!!!

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**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/38 "2009-05-11T19:03:46Z")

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Do it!!! Please!!

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**Author:** ![Kicklow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kicklow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Kicklow)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/39 "2009-05-11T19:06:21Z")

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im searching for the parts! 99% of the are for the hatch and not for the coupe. no love for the em1!

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**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\
**Post date:** [May 11, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/discuss/244078/40 "2009-05-11T19:11:45Z")

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> [@Swedish Dukes of Hazzard video...yeehah!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swedish-dukes-of-hazzard-video-yeehah/18030/7):
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> It’s all due to the hoop stress caused in the upper hatchel region, that stress is then transmitted sonically through the heim joints laterally to the shock towers thus imparting a moment about the rear drive axle (yes this is now RWD) creating an additional 30 ft-lbs and 22.3 whp.

Saving quote for use in all my future technical explanations/answers on this forum :rofl

Jeff, is there a formula for this that I can apply?

Cage/stiffening brace/STB + heim joints = major fail on all accounts, other than getting rediculous money out of misinformed retards across the auto community…

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