# Do you believe in climate change? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 27, 2017, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764 "2017-06-27T05:41:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/21 "2017-06-27T09:25:09Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I am really hoping if Trump builds the wall, it will be covered in or made of solar panels. 😃 Let’s just make sure they’re on our side of the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/22 "2017-06-27T09:51:07Z")
@fairgentleman_Z; I’m not sure what your point is. I’m guessing you meant matter and energy, but to respond. 1. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. (This is first law of thermodynamics) That doesn’t mean we want the energy from within the crust of the Earth to be on the surface. 2. This discussion isn’t limited to cars and tire fires. 3. Not sure where you’re going on the predicting weather 400 years ago. @BED - just general discussion, homie. No green cape martyrs in here. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/23 "2017-06-27T09:57:53Z")
I don’t have a strong feeling one way or another. I think the more entertainment is the claim of science and the conflicting reports of science which doesn’t help people being skeptical. I think the planet has cycles and is warming naturally and we are probably speeding it along but when you have one report from “scientists” saying that the earth is warmer and here is all the data and then another report saying that data was faked and its not real from other “scientists”, you see why there is so much debate. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/24 "2017-06-27T09:58:17Z")
Yeah, I did not mean you specifically. Nature is powerful and just one decent volcano can obliterate everything humans do to try and help. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/25 "2017-06-27T10:02:32Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Yeah, I did not mean you specifically. > > Nature is powerful and just one decent volcano can obliterate everything humans do to try and help. it don’t mean what humans did was pointless. wouldn’t it be twice as bad if we had both? ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/26 "2017-06-27T10:09:16Z")
It sure is, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t having an ill effect on our own existence. Why pay your mortgage if an asteroid could take us all out at any point? For me, speeding this along is only part of this and the data shows that we are doing that in a significant way. The amount of change we are causing is only comparable to mass extinction events. We are a blip in the whole timeline so to have this much effect so quickly only makes it more notable. Do you feel like our point of concern doesn’t extend beyond a generation? Or do you think this isn’t having a serious enough long term effect? Will the people here in this generation be fine? Obviously, yes. It’s more of a don’t piss in the river because you’re upstream type of scenario. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/27 "2017-06-27T10:11:41Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > @fairgentleman_Z; I’m not sure what your point is. I’m guessing you meant matter and energy, but to respond. > > 1. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. (This is first law of thermodynamics) That doesn’t mean we want the energy from within the crust of the Earth to be on the surface. > 2. This discussion isn’t limited to cars and tire fires. > 3. Not sure where you’re going on the predicting weather 400 years ago. 1. Conservation of mass (you put 6.3# of stuff in, you’re going to get about 6.3# of stuff out, what happened to that 6.3# of stuff, if Billions of people are unnaturally displacing 6.3# of stuff daily what is the impact?) 2. Examples that are related to everyday circumstances and specifically WNY. 3. You established that there was a trend between increased CO2 and unpredictable weather, and you supplied a chart that spanned 400 years. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/28 "2017-06-27T10:15:04Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > 1. Conservation of mass (you put 6.3# of stuff in, you’re going to get about 6.3# of stuff out, what happened to that 6.3# of stuff, if Billions of people are unnaturally displacing 6.3# of stuff daily what is the impact?) > 2. Examples that are related to everyday circumstances and specifically WNY. > 3. You established that there was a trend between increased CO2 and unpredictable weather, and you supplied a chart that spanned 400 years. 1. Right, but my point stands. The impact of having something miles within the crust of the Earth suddenly being put into the atmosphere that we rely on to live. That has an effect. And we know what carbon is generated from fossil fuels vs natural events. 2. That’s fine. Just pointing out that those examples are minuscule in their effect. 3.Read the chart again… ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/29 "2017-06-27T10:22:36Z")
What I do believe in is solar panels and electric cars. I am not a tree hugger (obviously) but those 2 things make sense to me. - - - Updated - - - Throwing deck chairs off of the Titanic did not help… much. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/30 "2017-06-27T10:24:26Z")
> [@Paulo](#): > > 3.Read the chart again… DOH!, ok, so how weather prediction 400,000 years ago. HA! that’s what I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/31 "2017-06-27T10:26:31Z")
lol. It’s not a weather prediction. It’s looking at the composition of the air in the atmosphere based on the ice cores which were frozen during that time. They can determine that along with the temperature to see what correlates. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/32 "2017-06-27T10:33:11Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Throwing deck chairs off of the Titanic did not help… much. Every little bit helps! AKA, it doesn’t matter if we’re going to sink no matter what as long as we can tax you for each deck chair and then tax you again for getting rid of them when we mandate you throw them overboard. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/33 "2017-06-27T13:29:04Z")
Also, can we agree that there too many damn humans beings on this planet? We need a 3-4 billion wipeout to get back to sustainable existence before we even think about tackling planetary issues. ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/34 "2017-06-27T14:13:46Z")
New poll with Jay’s option please ---
**Author:** ![LowlyOilBurner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@LowlyOilBurner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LowlyOilBurner)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/35 "2017-06-27T16:03:26Z")
Growing up, I don’t remember the roller coaster winters like we have now, as well as the 30deg swings in temperature in a 10hr period. I find that odd. Maybe some old fucks can comment on this? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/36 "2017-06-28T07:38:09Z")
Well you never grew up so… ---
**Author:** ![LowlyOilBurner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@LowlyOilBurner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LowlyOilBurner)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/37 "2017-06-28T15:12:41Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > Well you never grew up so… That’s your comment, old fuck? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/38 "2017-06-28T15:48:38Z")
:wavey: ---
**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/39 "2017-06-30T06:41:52Z")
In regards to the JayS type option; > [@Paulo](#): > > Do you feel like our point of concern doesn’t extend beyond a generation? Or do you think this isn’t having a serious enough long term effect? I’m trying to get a better understanding of why it doesn’t seem like we should make more immediate changes. Is the data unconvincing? @**[Onyx Z32](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=30)** - is it possible to add another option to the poll? ‘Yes - but human actions do not have a significant effect and therefore our own actions cannot reverse it.’ ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764/40 "2017-06-30T07:13:26Z")
Adding another option now doesn’t make for valid data. You’ve had a bunch of options up for several days and voting has been going on. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/do-you-believe-in-climate-change/274764.md?page=3)