# Dodge Viper ACR.... THE RING **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 28, 2008, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003 "2008-08-28T07:45:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/121 "2008-09-01T16:12:44Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > Link? Your word vs Wiki article… as it stands. Sure Wiki is wrong from time to time. But 10 writers agreeing on something with sources \> Final GTS without sources I’ll openly admit I dont have them, I was at the Chrysler Press Release, so thats about as close to the source as you are going to get. Wikipedia’s credibility should be right at the top of the list to be questioned already based on the fact alone that it is listed as a “manufacturers claim”… which EVERYONE in this thread knows is false, up to and including a guy on here who supposedly got that phone call @ motortrend. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/122 "2008-09-01T16:13:52Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > Link? Your word vs Wiki article… as it stands. Sure Wiki is wrong from time to time. But 10 writers agreeing on something with sources \> Final GTS without sources > > ``` > Dodge Viper SRT-10 November 2005 Motor Trend 7:59 > > ``` > > ?? Is this the same version non ACR? > > edit: O i see there is a 4th gen… the 3rd gen ran 2003-2006= Gen-3, 510 Horsepower/PS1 Run-Flats [Also tested semi-wet, some reason not listed as such] 2008= Gen-4, 600 Horsepower/PS2’s ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/123 "2008-09-01T16:18:51Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > This amy have been covered already but, how many ACRs have been built? > Is it really a production car? > It sounds more like a tuner car. > > As far as the Vette driver, they put an amatuer driver in it for a reason. If I recall, they plan to build around ~100 a year, and are building them right now for 2008. Yes, it is 100% a production car, and can be ordered torough any Dodge Viper dealer, and driven right off the lot and to the track on Day One. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/124 "2008-09-01T16:25:30Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > No knock on the Vipers time at all, because it is certainly impressive, but there’s no doubt in my mind the 'vette has the potential to beat that time. And there is no doubt in my mind that the Viper can best the Vipers time with a few more laps and/or a different driver. And the Vette better hope to christ that the ACR doesnt get different gearing available as an option in the next year or two… it is such a handicap it is laughable, the car cant accelerate efficiently (or at all) due to downforce in 5th or 6th because of the dramatic separation in ratios- it drops it well below peak TQ from the VVT… not that it matters, as I cant see either manufacturer sending the car back for a small pissing match. ---
**Author:** ![bigwoode](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigwoode/32/5175_2.png) [@bigwoode](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bigwoode)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/125 "2008-09-01T16:29:48Z")
^^ Dude… :fail: ZR-1 = :bigclap: Seriously, one race shouldnt decide the fate of these cars, there are so many factors to account for, not to mention the intended purpose of these two cars seems to be on two different levels… If you are going to do these kinds of races all factors need to be equal, no matter what. If the ZR-1 still loses, so what, I still would pick it over the Viper anyday!:spunk: ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/126 "2008-09-01T16:31:33Z")
^^ next year or 2? Are they still going to be making Vipers by then? I heard they were killing it off in the near future. Can’t remember where I heard it from, anyone else hear it? ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/127 "2008-09-01T16:31:42Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > And there is no doubt in my mind that the Viper can best the Vipers time with a few more laps and/or a different driver. And the Vette better hope to christ that the ACR doesnt get different gearing available as an option in the next year or two… it is such a handicap it is laughable, the car cant accelerate efficiently (or at all) due to downforce in 5th or 6th because of the dramatic separation in ratios- it drops it well below peak TQ from the VVT… not that it matters, as I cant see either manufacturer sending the car back for a small pissing match. 7:22.1 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR Tom Coronel Championship titles Dutch Citroën AX Cup Dutch Touring Car Championship Dutch Formula Ford Japanese Formula 3 Marlboro Masters Formula Nippon ETCC Independents Trophy WTCC Independents Trophy Whats wrong with this drivers credentials? And 1000lbs of downforce Is never a handicap, regardless if it > in 5th or 6th because of the dramatic separation in ratios- it drops it well below peak TQ from the VVT. ---
**Author:** ![bigwoode](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigwoode/32/5175_2.png) [@bigwoode](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bigwoode)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/128 "2008-09-01T16:32:10Z")
I heard the rights to the Viper are for sale if I am not mistaken ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2008, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/129 "2008-09-01T19:31:31Z")
> [@bigwoode](#): > > I heard the rights to the Viper are for sale if I am not mistaken [http://nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1067869&postcount=48](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1067869&postcount=48) ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2008, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/130 "2008-09-02T05:13:41Z")
Somone just shoot this thread in the head. It is so full of benchracing fanboi faggots it isn’t even funny. ---
**Author:** ![j\_espo1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/j_espo1/32/7291_2.png) [@j\_espo1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/j_espo1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2008, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/131 "2008-09-02T05:29:27Z")
> [@walter](#): > > Somone just shoot this thread in the head. It is so full of benchracing fanboi faggots it isn’t even funny. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![reliant\_turbo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/reliant_turbo/32/7189_2.png) [@reliant\_turbo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/reliant_turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/132 "2008-09-02T14:51:24Z")
seriously, get the gun. its like being in 3rd grade again only the toys are more expensive and larger and the insults are almost as clever. back then “you are dumb” was top notch cause no one knew any better. brian ---
**Author:** ![sobo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sobo/32/5267_2.png) [@sobo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sobo)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/133 "2008-09-02T15:44:49Z")
**Chevrolet 2009 Corvette Zr-1 specs** Curb Weight: 3324 lbs. Base Number of Cylinders: 8 Base Engine Size: 6.2 liters Base Engine Type: V8 Horsepower: 638 hp Max Horsepower: 6500 rpm Torque: 634 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 3800 rpm 14 mpg / 20 mpg Fuel Tank Capacity: 18 gal. **2009 Dodge Viper Srt-10** Curb Weight: 3445 lbs. Base Number of Cylinders: 10 Base Engine Size: 8.4 liters Base Engine Type: V10 Horsepower: 600 hp Max Horsepower: 6100 rpm Torque: 560 ft-lbs. Max Torque: 5000 rpm 13 mpg / 22 mpg Fuel Tank Capacity: 16 gal. So lets see… The Corvette is lighter, and has more power when compared to it’s Dodge viper equivalent. Then you take into account the dodge removes 40lbs,changes the drive train around, adds pro-comp tires and 1000lbs of down force at 150mph. What would be the outcome if the Corvette has racing tires, and 1000lbs of downforce at 150mph? Obviously the Zr-1 would take the crown back. With the cars equivalently equipped the Corvette is a faster car… It has more power and is lighter. _But, keeping things stock, the viper is faster just because it has those important track features. There is no more argument to have, its in the facts_. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/134 "2008-09-02T16:20:06Z")
averaging 105 mph… that downforce really plays a factor 🙂 BTW Mich PS2 vs Mich Pilot cups… Is not much of a difference the downforce is a key ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/135 "2008-09-02T19:23:59Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > BTW Mich PS2 vs Mich Pilot cups… Is not much of a difference the downforce is a key That is extremely ignorant. Pilot Sport Cups are very close to Hoosier R6’s where as PS2’s are garbage street tires. The added downforce will do very little with street tires. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/136 "2008-09-03T20:46:56Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > That is extremely ignorant. > > Pilot Sport Cups are very close to Hoosier R6’s where as PS2’s are garbage street tires. > > The added downforce will do very little with street tires. LOL, and that post makes you look ignorant as fuck too. Considering I spend half of my life conversing with people who track those two tires regularly, on the CAR IN QUESTION, and the general concensus is that there is no comparison… hmm. And your comment about PS2’s being garbage makes you look equally as retarded. Let me guess, you like Pirellis? ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/137 "2008-09-03T20:48:38Z")
> [@sobo](#): > > **Chevrolet 2009 Corvette Zr-1 specs** > Curb Weight: 3324 lbs. > Base Number of Cylinders: 8 > Base Engine Size: 6.2 liters > Base Engine Type: V8 > Horsepower: 638 hp > Max Horsepower: 6500 rpm > Torque: 634 ft-lbs. > Max Torque: 3800 rpm > 14 mpg / 20 mpg > Fuel Tank Capacity: 18 gal. > > **2009 Dodge Viper Srt-10** > Curb Weight: 3445 lbs. > Base Number of Cylinders: 10 > Base Engine Size: 8.4 liters > Base Engine Type: V10 > Horsepower: 600 hp > Max Horsepower: 6100 rpm > Torque: 560 ft-lbs. > Max Torque: 5000 rpm > 13 mpg / 22 mpg > Fuel Tank Capacity: 16 gal. > > So lets see… The Corvette is lighter, and has more power when compared to it’s Dodge viper equivalent. Then you take into account the dodge removes 40lbs,changes the drive train around, adds pro-comp tires and 1000lbs of down force at 150mph. > > What would be the outcome if the Corvette has racing tires, and 1000lbs of downforce at 150mph? > > Obviously the Zr-1 would take the crown back. With the cars equivalently equipped the Corvette is a faster car… It has more power and is lighter. > > _But, keeping things stock, the viper is faster just because it has those important track features. There is no more argument to have, its in the facts_. And all of that isnt taking into account the intake temp the Vette required to make those numbers. Lets just say… it isnt any fucking where near track temps, and certainly a world away from heat soaked temps. The Viper doesnt have the heat soak problems the Vette does, so it balances out in a hurry around a track, especially a long one. On the same note, the SRT guys like “round numbers” as they put it… the Viper isnt really 600 horsepower, probably closer to 625. 08’s are averaging 540-560 at the wheels. ---
**Author:** ![bigwoode](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigwoode/32/5175_2.png) [@bigwoode](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bigwoode)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2008, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/138 "2008-09-03T21:17:43Z")
🎻 ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/139 "2008-09-04T04:47:29Z")
All the excuses from both sides about why the cars should be faster is almost as funny as the vipers racing efforts over the past 3 years ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/140 "2008-09-04T05:56:45Z")
so i dont know if it has been said yet or not, i only read half the posts. 1. Whats the price difference? 2. why does it matter which is faster, who on here is getting one? 3. where you going to go that fast for that long and not get introuble/chances of crashing if on track, which remind you is not covered by insurance. (have fun paying it off and let me know when it happens for the laugh) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003.md?page=8)