# Dodge Viper ACR.... THE RING **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 28, 2008, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003 "2008-08-28T07:45:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/141 "2008-09-04T06:54:14Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > so i dont know if it has been said yet or not, i only read half the posts. > > 1. Whats the price difference? > 2. why does it matter which is faster, who on here is getting one? > 3. where you going to go that fast for that long and not get introuble/chances of crashing if on track, which remind you is not covered by insurance. (have fun paying it off and let me know when it happens for the laugh) 1. $98,110 (ACR) vs $103,330 (ZR1) I would be it will be quite a bit harder to find a ZR1 without markup. 2. Dan and mi$$terioman among others. 3. just because **your** insurance doesn’t cover it, doesn’t mean shit. someone who can afford the car, can afford to drive it. In the end speculative arguing about seconds around a 14 mile course is nothing more than the pinnacle of bench racing, which has been stated about 400 times over in this thread. Your line of argument just makes you sound like a poor, jealous, biter. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/142 "2008-09-04T06:57:19Z")
Fuck all your bench racing…Its all about two factors… Which one enhance the size of the owners dick by more? Which one will get more bitches? /THREAD ---
**Author:** ![BigRon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/58956e/32.png) [@BigRon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigRon)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/143 "2008-09-04T06:58:19Z")
> [@yeamabu](#): > > 1. Whats the price difference? > 2. why does it matter which is faster, who on here is getting one? > 3. where you going to go that fast for that long and not get introuble/chances of crashing if on track, which remind you is not covered by insurance. (have fun paying it off and let me know when it happens for the laugh) 1. Viper with a competition package was MSRP of $100,925 on the website ZR1 MSRP (including destination charges) will be $103,300. Add to that a $1,700 Gas guzzler tax, $2,000 for chrome wheels and another $10,000 for the only Option package available that adds upgraded seats, side air bags, Bose audio, a nav system, Bluetooth, power tilt/telescoping steering wheel and leather-wrapped interior, and you’re looking at a grand total of $117,000. Granted buying a ZR1 for sticker will be difficult the first year. Why did this questions need to be asked? There is this invention called a search engine. I would suggest google or yahoo for starters if you haven’t tried them before. 1. I Know D is on the waiting list for a ZR1 and there are a couple guys on here with Vipers. So to answer the second part of your question: these companies have been battling since 60’s for whose is faster or has more HP this is just another competition. These cars are used as Halo cars to show technological advancements. 2. Go buy a bubble and laugh in it. Hopefully people buy these cars to drive them and not park them and look at them. Additionally, different insurance companies cover track events differently. If it is not a timed event some will just treat it as driving school. Obiviously the owner should check on this first. ---
**Author:** ![bigwoode](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigwoode/32/5175_2.png) [@bigwoode](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bigwoode)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/144 "2008-09-04T06:58:54Z")
Perfect solution, we should all just chip in and buy each of these cars, then all arguments will be ended! :smash2: ---
**Author:** ![yamba6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yamba6/32/5161_2.png) [@yamba6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamba6)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/145 "2008-09-04T07:34:55Z")
> [@BigRon](#): > > 1. Viper with a competition package was MSRP of $100,925 on the website > ZR1 MSRP (including destination charges) will be $103,300. Add to that a $1,700 Gas guzzler tax, $2,000 for chrome wheels and another $10,000 for the only Option package available that adds upgraded seats, side air bags, Bose audio, a nav system, Bluetooth, power tilt/telescoping steering wheel and leather-wrapped interior, and you’re looking at a grand total of $117,000. > > Granted buying a ZR1 for sticker will be difficult the first year. > > Why did this questions need to be asked? There is this invention called a search engine. I would suggest google or yahoo for starters if you haven’t tried them before. why google to find the prices, when all you guys on here already know. isnt this a place to ask questions and find out shit. you answered my questions, and i didnt have to look anything up. :tup: :awdrifter: ---
**Author:** ![misteroman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/misteroman/32/7423_2.png) [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/146 "2008-09-04T07:59:32Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Fuck all your bench racing…Its all about two factors… > > Which one enhance the size of the owners dick by more? > > Which one will get more bitches? > > /THREAD LOL, Happily married so hopefully I don’t get any more ladies!Bigger dick might be nice though,not that I would get anymore enjoyment out of it.🙂 Hell who knows if they will ever release the Z.As of a couple days ago,no regular customers have gotten theirs yet.If and when I do get mine,The first thing I will put on are different tires probably on a 2nd set of rear Z wheels.That along with a tune and a pulley and should be good for 700hp and all I’ll ever need or want.By then tho,Dan will have an ACR with 1,500 hp ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/147 "2008-09-04T13:06:10Z")
> [@fiend540](#): > > All the excuses from both sides about why the cars should be faster is almost as funny as the vipers racing efforts over the past 3 years Which is almost as funny as the restrictions placed on them so they cant win anymore. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/148 "2008-09-04T13:08:38Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > Which is almost as funny as the restrictions placed on them so they cant win anymore. Everyone has restrictions. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/149 "2008-09-04T13:08:58Z")
> [@misteroman$$$](#): > > By then tho,Dan will have an ACR _and another viper_ with 1,500 hp I fixed it for you. :lolsign: Seriously though, there already is an ACR on order for the B-Lo. No… Its not mine. I am waiting for the last year [if they cancel it] or the first year of the next gen [if they dont]. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/150 "2008-09-04T13:10:23Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > Everyone has restrictions. I know. Speed limits, being quiet after 11pm, not being able to run around naked… that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/151 "2008-09-04T13:12:37Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > I fixed it for you. :lolsign: do you have a viper with 1500hp now? ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/152 "2008-09-04T13:14:20Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > do you have a viper with 1500hp now? Fortunately for my wallet, no. The platform is done, but I dont have time to finish it. ---
**Author:** ![ILCisDEAD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a87d85/32.png) [@ILCisDEAD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILCisDEAD)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/153 "2008-09-04T13:15:34Z")
:shrug: you said another ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/154 "2008-09-04T17:32:36Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > Which is almost as funny as the restrictions placed on them so they cant win anymore. You have more excuses than the zr1 fanboys. The viper doesn’t win anything because it is an outdated pos compared to it’s competition. Sorry racing series have rules that all Other makes can win within but the gift from god viper can’t. ---
**Author:** ![E.Roy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/e.roy/32/5073_2.png) [@E.Roy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/E.Roy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/155 "2008-09-04T17:48:35Z")
> [@Cavi Mike](#): > > This used to be a stop-2-finish race in factory trim. Then Nissan goes in with slicks, runs a rolling start-2-finish and now everyone just does whatever the \*\*\*\* they want. This is ridiculous. \*\*\*\* the ring. I want to see you find the history and post it on how a lap is supposed to be done, I dont know who on Nyspeed said the lap is supposed to be from a dead stop, but I havent seen any vids on the Ring without a rolling start the GTR, ZR1, ACR all had flying starts EDUCATEME:rx3: ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/156 "2008-09-04T17:50:24Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > And all of that isnt taking into account the intake temp the Vette required to make those numbers. Lets just say… it isnt any fucking where near track temps, and certainly a world away from heat soaked temps. The Viper doesnt have the heat soak problems the Vette does, so it balances out in a hurry around a track, especially a long one. On the same note, the SRT guys like “round numbers” as they put it… the Viper isnt really 600 horsepower, probably closer to 625. 08’s are averaging 540-560 at the wheels. LMFAO!!! Seriously…when was the last time GM released **ANY** spot-on hp numbers for **ANY** LSx powered car? Hell, even LT1 powered cars. You really think the 'Vette puts down what they say it does **and that they had to cool the intake charge to do that?** You are so fucking naive. All f-bod LT1’s were rated at 275. So why do they ALL dyno around 245-255 **AT THE WHEELS**? The LT4 GS 'Vette was rated at 330. So why do they ALL dyno around 295-310 **AT THE WHEELS**? All f-bod LS1’s were rated between 285-305 (non-ra). Again, they all dyno around 290 **at the wheels.** How is that possible? They always put a little cushion (sometimes a lot, lol) into their numbers. Even the damn crate motors that they sell always dyno more than what they advertise them at. You put that Viper up on such a pedestal, and you think it’s just the most incredible machine ever. It holds the record, yes, we all know that. It is a very fast time, noone is doubting it. It is a track car built to whoop ass on the track, and get-by on the street. Track is the priority, street is secondary. The 'Vette isn’t built for that purpose. It is a seriously fast street car, that can dabble on the track, but won’t beat the shit out of you cruising around town. Maybe once you could just swallow your Viper pride and acknowledge that other manufacturers build some great stuff too. ---
**Author:** ![E.Roy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/e.roy/32/5073_2.png) [@E.Roy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/E.Roy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/157 "2008-09-04T18:03:48Z")
Just to put things in perspective, we are talking about 2 different cars lapping a 13 mile insanely difficult circuit within 5 seconds of one anothers lap time, that is a tiny difference ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/158 "2008-09-04T19:37:47Z")
> [@ILCisDEAD](#): > > :shrug: you said another another just meaning the second in that sentance, the first of which was the ACR. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/159 "2008-09-04T19:39:33Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > LMFAO!!! > > Seriously…when was the last time GM released **ANY** spot-on hp numbers for **ANY** LSx powered car? Hell, even LT1 powered cars. You really think the 'Vette puts down what they say it does **and that they had to cool the intake charge to do that?** You are so fucking naive. > > All f-bod LT1’s were rated at 275. So why do they ALL dyno around 245-255 **AT THE WHEELS**? > The LT4 GS 'Vette was rated at 330. So why do they ALL dyno around 295-310 **AT THE WHEELS**? > All f-bod LS1’s were rated between 285-305 (non-ra). Again, they all dyno around 290 **at the wheels.** > > How is that possible? > > They always put a little cushion (sometimes a lot, lol) into their numbers. Even the damn crate motors that they sell always dyno more than what they advertise them at. Do I really have to go dig up the GM release with all the specs regarding the ZR1 power output? Besides, time will tell the story anyway… if any of them actually get driven. Read the top… yeah, thats fucking REALLY realistic for anything short of putting a refrigerator in the trunk to cool the IC coolant. 50\*F IC temps? What, are they running these cars in the snow now? Talk about a lame way to inflate your numbers. > [@joelster](#): > > You put that Viper up on such a pedestal, and you think it’s just the most incredible machine ever. > > It holds the record, yes, we all know that. It is a very fast time, noone is doubting it. It is a track car built to whoop ass on the track, and get-by on the street. Track is the priority, street is secondary. The 'Vette isn’t built for that purpose. It is a seriously fast street car, that can dabble on the track, but won’t beat the shit out of you cruising around town. > > Maybe once you could just swallow your Viper pride and acknowledge that other manufacturers build some great stuff too. LOL, I’ll take that approach right around the time the Corvette fanboys stop shitting up every Viper post known to man about either the ZO6 or the ZR1. Since that will never happen…:sword: ---
**Author:** ![psychopjv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psychopjv/32/7251_2.png) [@psychopjv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psychopjv)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dodge-viper-acr-the-ring/54003/160 "2008-09-04T19:41:12Z")
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