# Does Obama Lie? or is that a lie? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [June 22, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172 "2012-06-22T15:49:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/41 "2012-06-28T13:00:01Z")
So pumped I have an easy explanation for my vote this year; joe biden is a big supporter of Amtrak. ---
**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/42 "2012-06-28T13:05:46Z")
Why the fuck don’t we have high speed trains!?!? ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/43 "2012-06-28T13:06:41Z")
We do along the northeast corridor. Its called the Acela. ---
**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/44 "2012-06-28T13:25:12Z")
Woah. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/45 "2012-06-28T14:23:14Z")
> [@Thumbs up to freewheeling cycle](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/thumbs-up-to-freewheeling-cycle/49995/7): > > Change to who another president? Why? > > At the start of any presidents term, 150 million people in the country don’t like him and voted for the other guy. As the time goes on he will loose another 10%-20% by be the end of his term in approvals. ANY president. > > You know why? Because you can’t keep everybody happy. Mitt Romney could be the greatest guy in the world for you, but policies that please you will be pissing off many other people. > > Want to TRY change something? Become a resident in a swing state. > > But as I’ve said it doesn’t matter who gets elected, it could be the Pope himself, all his idealistic policies would get shut down in the house and senate if they go against the corrupt politicians there that fly low under the radar because people blame all the problems in the world on the president. > > There is no accounting for those people, they do what they want. > > Inside trading that’s illegal for rest of the country but legal for themselves? Check. > Selling the inside trading secrets to companies? Check > Making policies and ear marks to please their corporate donors such as voting to make pizza a vegetable to use in schools? Check. > Voting to veto a bill that would help and issue and than later criticizing the government publicly for failing to support a bill that would help? Check > Procrastinating on passing and agreeing on the budget just so democrats look bad once we lose our credit rating? Check > > It’s a fucking joke. Good luck changing the hundreds of people there that fly below the radar and fail to pass anything useful. > > Being a president is like being the owner of both teams in the finals. No matter who wins, half the people will be happy, half won’t and the two teams HATE each other. You can’t ever win in that situation as there has to be a loser when there are two competing teams. Fans of the losing team won’t ever be happy that the other won. It’s ashame that half the people in this country think like you and don’t vote. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/46 "2012-06-28T14:37:01Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/676): > > It’s ashame that half the people in this country think like you and don’t vote. Being naive never got me far. I hope republicans win and I’ll see you in 3 years when I bump this thread and not a single fucking thing has changed, blame game will go on with excuses as to why the results arent happening, whether it be the previous president fucking it up for this one or the other party filibustering anything useful. People will still be unhappy with whoever is in charge and they will hope and pray that next election will be the one to make things right. No better than doomstday sayers who keep predicting the apocalypse and keep saying this will be the one and when it doesn’t come they just change the date to the next one and firmly believe that _THIS_ one, has got to be, most definitely the one… ---
**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/47 "2012-06-28T14:54:59Z")
Reminds me of the speed bump cartoon in the paper today. It’s a dude holding an “end is near” sign with balloons saying how it’s celebrating hits 50th yr on the corner. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/48 "2012-06-28T15:00:17Z")
> [@NEW GUY HERE](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-guy-here/49996/6): > > Being naive never got me far. > > I hope republicans win and I’ll see you in 3 years when I bump this thread and not a single fucking thing has changed, blame game will go on with excuses as to why the results arent happening, whether it be the previous president fucking it up for this one or the other party filibustering anything useful. People will still be unhappy with whoever is in charge and they will hope and pray that next election will be the one to make things right. > > No better than doomstday sayers who keep predicting the apocalypse and keep saying this will be the one and when it doesn’t come they just change the date to the next one and firmly believe that _THIS_ one, has got to be, most definitely the one… The wheels of government do turn slow but change does happen. You shouldn’t just abandon the political process because you’re jaded for some reason. People that don’t vote get what they deserve. Even if the candidate I support loses at least I’m getting involved in the process and making an effort. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/49 "2012-06-28T15:05:02Z")
> [@Rant with a quick question. V. Malibu Door mirror](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rant-with-a-quick-question-v-malibu-door-mirror/49998/11): > > The wheels of government do turn slow but change does happen. You shouldn’t just abandon the political process because you’re jaded for some reason. People that don’t vote get what they deserve. Even if the candidate I support loses at least I’m getting involved in the process and making an effort. Your vote thanks to electoral college and this being a non swing state might as well be a non vote. Voting to change is kind of like jumping to be closer to the sun. By all technicalities you will get closer for a quick moment, so sure keep on jumping. > “If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal.” ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/50 "2012-06-28T15:10:54Z")
> [@super sexy full race evo setup (twin scroll 42r)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/super-sexy-full-race-evo-setup-twin-scroll-42r/50001/14): > > Your vote thanks to electoral college and this being a non swing state might as well be a non vote. > > Voting to change is kind of like jumping to be closer to the sun. > > By all technicalities you will get closer for a quick moment, so sure keep on jumping. …and keep on going nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/51 "2012-06-28T15:26:49Z")
> [@"You get what you pay for" NOT at "Brake-Masters"](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-get-what-you-pay-for-not-at-brake-masters/49999/5): > > …and keep on going nowhere. I’ll be in the same place you are. Food for thought. > [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/648): > > I think the last time we had a sustained period of economic growth and prosperity was after WWII. How many votes ago was that? ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/52 "2012-06-28T15:58:06Z")
> [@"You get what you pay for" NOT at "Brake-Masters"](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/you-get-what-you-pay-for-not-at-brake-masters/49999/6): > > I’ll be in the same place you are. > > Food for thought. We’re already worlds apart because I exercise my rights an an American Citizen while you sit on the sidelines with your hands in your pockets. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/53 "2012-06-28T16:31:52Z")
Give me a candidate that deserves my vote in a ballot and I’ll gladly do so. You put two monkeys in front of me and ask me, which one you want to rule 300 million people and I’ll walk away laughing. If you think voting for an idiot thats further going to fuck shit up in his own self interest while putting on a show of smoke and mirrors make you more of a citizen than me, I laugh at you. You were granted citizenship by default, I made a clear choice and worked for it. You’re like Paris Hilton saying she deserves her inherited money more than a guy who worked and made his own fortune. If you don’t like it that I call a spade a spade, I can’t help you. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/54 "2012-06-28T16:33:08Z")
Ron Paul, bra. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/55 "2012-06-28T16:38:38Z")
> [@Urine test for welfare?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/urine-test-for-welfare/49989/31): > > Ron Paul, bra. Is he running independent again? It’s unfortunate he’s not even taken seriously by the main stream media. Goes back to show that if you’re not going to be as corrupt as the next guy, you won’t raise funds, get the media attention, or be taken seriously unless you have drama going on. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/56 "2012-06-28T16:44:32Z")
> [@Thumbs up to freewheeling cycle](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/thumbs-up-to-freewheeling-cycle/49995/8): > > Is he running independent again? > > It’s unfortunate he’s not even taken seriously by the main stream media. > > Goes back to show that if you’re not going to be as corrupt as the next guy, you won’t raise funds, get the media attention, or be taken seriously unless you have drama going on. It’s not clear whether or not he’ll be running independent yet. I think if Romney chooses his son Rand as a VP, Ron will drop out altogether. Either way, don’t they allow write-ins for POTUS elections? I think people will start to take him seriously when they pull their heads out of their asses and realize what a mess this country really is. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/57 "2012-06-28T16:56:48Z")
> [@Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/18018/37): > > Give me a candidate that deserves my vote in a ballot and I’ll gladly do so. > > If you think voting for an idiot thats further going to fuck shit up in his own self interest while putting on a show of smoke and mirrors make you more of a citizen than me, I laugh at you. You were granted citizenship by default, I made a clear choice and worked for it. Clearly no candidate will ever meet your requirements. Regardless of whether or not I was granted citzenship or immigrated for it I’m still going to stand-up for what I believe is right and get involved in any way I can. Why did you work so hard for your citizenship if you clearly have contempt for our system? I can tell you why. Because our system allows you the freedom to do that and while I don’t agree with what you say I’d gladly give my life protecting your freedom to do so. That’s what makes this country great. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/58 "2012-06-28T17:00:24Z")
That wont happen while each election gets sold as a cure from all problems, whether it be for the guy in second term or the new and improved version from the other party. Even if Ron made it, the drama would be endless with him being cock blocked by both wings who never seem to agree with him. Hard to make changes when nobody approves or supports you other than grassroots voters. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/59 "2012-06-28T17:04:54Z")
I like Ron Paul and he makes a lot of common sense arguments in his books and speeches. You’re absolutely right though in that he couldn’t get anything pushed through without some serious pandering. Being an outsider in our two party system is a serious flaw and quite ashame. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172/60 "2012-06-28T17:25:40Z")
I think the big problem with Ron Paul (which isn’t a problem to me, just to the mass of the people) is that he wants to put an end to a bunch of different government agencies and people view that as trying to eliminate “jobs for good, hard-working Americans” in a tough economy. He wants to eliminate the DHS, which people have come to think we need for our protection, as well as a bunch of other departments on the federal level that simply shouldn’t be there. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-obama-lie-or-is-that-a-lie/264172.md?page=4)