# Domestic Car Abuse Day(s) in West Nowhere, VA **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [June 16, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733 "2010-06-16T16:23:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/1 "2010-06-16T16:23:14Z")
Figured this might be of interest to some. I’m doing the “professional driver closed course” thing for a VA Lottery commercial today and into tomorrow. Pretty much filming the 4 cars below in action to advertise for some game they have coming out where they’re giving identical cars away. So all day I’ve been beating the bejesus out of these 4 tanks. I’m a drifter now like Benny! ![http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h136/jclarksince86/IMG_0563.jpg](http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h136/jclarksince86/IMG_0563.jpg) On this semi-closed runway and tarmac: ![http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h136/jclarksince86/IMG_0564.jpg](http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h136/jclarksince86/IMG_0564.jpg) And there are plenty of black marks out there now and on the runway in the distance. Sorry, cant post video for obvious reasons. The gear the crew uses is INTENSE. Most of the day I was making passes at speed 12" from a $80,000 camera contraption on the back of an F250. They also had big suction cup rigs for the cars themselves for the cheap $8,000 “throw-away” Nikons. After we were done with a segment and back at the hangar, the detail guys would swarm the car and having it looking new again in seconds. I’m blown away at what goes into making a 30 second commercial. Will do better taking pictures tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_K](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeff_k/32/6431_2.png) [@Jeff\_K](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeff_K)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/2 "2010-06-16T16:37:29Z")
what, no umbrella girls? ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/3 "2010-06-16T16:48:54Z")
thats really cool man ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/4 "2010-06-16T16:54:03Z")
Do you actually like any of the cars your driving? ---
**Author:** ![LS\_WS.6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ls_ws.6/32/6563_2.png) [@LS\_WS.6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LS_WS.6)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/5 "2010-06-16T17:23:03Z")
thats awesome, tons of ppl on here would die to hav the chance todo this! out of all those cars reviews say the mustang the best:shifty… ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/6 "2010-06-16T17:57:39Z")
So which one is your favorite? ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/7 "2010-06-16T18:33:27Z")
> [@plaf713"](#): > > Do you actually like any of the cars your driving? Yes! See below. > [@FS:92 Turbo Hatch \*S O L D\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-92-turbo-hatch-s-o-l-d/31293/104): > > So which one is your favorite? Pros and cons to each. They all have catastrophic understeer like all showroom new American cars but we’re working to fix or help this tomorrow. The Mustang is good actually, better than the last gen I drove last year at VIR. It feels the lightest of the four, decent mid-corner balance, and the drivetrain is buttah smooth. The Camaro isnt bad at all either but it feels heavy everywhere especially corner entry. The 'maro has the best brakes by far (SS has Brembos apparently). Camaro has the best craftsmanship/build quality but the gauges suck (haaatttee gauges that sacrifice readability for style). Ford is close behind but its built with cheapo materials. I cant say much good about the Dodges tho. They go through corners like cruise liners and never settle into a suspension “set.” The automatic Charger has a bad powersteering whine and the trans shifts real rough, and it was probably driven the least (but has the most total miles with 90-ish). Seating position sucks, seats themselves suck, transmissions are a pain to row through the gears (you have to push way left to get 1st and 2nd). Oh and the brakes on the Challenger are smoked after 1 hard brake zone. Though the Mustang surprised me and the Camaro is better than I expected, none of them drive with the precision of many foreign cars. They have to be manhandled and driven forcefully to get them around the corner in shape while the Germans, for the most part, are the definition of precision. It’s not just a matter of driving style, they’re just faster. Sledge hammer vs scalpel. If you’re big into American stuff, the Mustang is the one to own, IMO if you like driving spiritedly. But the Camaro is close enough where it could be a matter of opinion. Dodges blow at everything. ---
**Author:** ![car\_ramrod](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/car_ramrod/32/6441_2.png) [@car\_ramrod](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/car_ramrod)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/8 "2010-06-16T18:43:27Z")
awesome man, looks like a blast ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/9 "2010-06-16T18:43:52Z")
Ive seen similar reviews with the Mustang coming out on top but most were in Mustang magazines so they were rather biased. Seems strange that they put a 4 door sedan in the mix (as well as 2 Dodges). They shouldve put a 370Z or Genesis coupe in the mix instead. As far as looks the Challenger is definately the best looking one of all. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/10 "2010-06-16T18:46:14Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/32656/42): > > Ive seen similar reviews with the Mustang coming out on top but most were in Mustang magazines so they were rather biased. > > Seems strange that they put a 4 door sedan in the mix (as well as 2 Dodges). They shouldve put a 370Z or Genesis coupe in the mix instead. > > As far as looks the Challenger is definately the best looking one of all. I thought the 2 Dodges thing was weird but I’m sure there’s a reason. The lotto game is muscle car themed, so no imports. Looks-wise the Camaro was my fav, but the new Mustang is growing on me. I wish they sent us one in a better color like that sick azz blue I love. ---
**Author:** ![Mark355](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mark355/32/6528_2.png) [@Mark355](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mark355)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/11 "2010-06-16T19:45:32Z")
Nice ride height on the Challenger or whatever the fuck. Looks like a donk from a distance. ---
**Author:** ![zee\_oh\_sex](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zee_oh_sex/32/6451_2.png) [@zee\_oh\_sex](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/zee_oh_sex)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/12 "2010-06-16T20:14:58Z")
thats sick! ---
**Author:** ![94Gt5.0](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94gt5.0/32/6377_2.png) [@94Gt5.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94Gt5.0)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/13 "2010-06-16T20:35:16Z")
> [@07/71/07: My house. (if you don't suck)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/07-71-07-my-house-if-you-dont-suck/32717/25): > > Yes! See below. > > Pros and cons to each. They all have catastrophic understeer like all showroom new American cars but we’re working to fix or help this tomorrow. The Mustang is good actually, better than the last gen I drove last year at VIR. It feels the lightest of the four, decent mid-corner balance, and the drivetrain is buttah smooth. The Camaro isnt bad at all either but it feels heavy everywhere especially corner entry. The 'maro has the best brakes by far (SS has Brembos apparently). > > Camaro has the best craftsmanship/build quality but the gauges suck (haaatttee gauges that sacrifice readability for style). Ford is close behind but its built with cheapo materials. > > I cant say much good about the Dodges tho. They go through corners like cruise liners and never settle into a suspension “set.” The automatic Charger has a bad powersteering whine and the trans shifts real rough, and it was probably driven the least (but has the most total miles with 90-ish). Seating position sucks, seats themselves suck, transmissions are a pain to row through the gears (you have to push way left to get 1st and 2nd). Oh and the brakes on the Challenger are smoked after 1 hard brake zone. > > Though the Mustang surprised me and the Camaro is better than I expected, none of them drive with the precision of many foreign cars. They have to be manhandled and driven forcefully to get them around the corner in shape while the Germans, for the most part, are the definition of precision. It’s not just a matter of driving style, they’re just faster. Sledge hammer vs scalpel. > > If you’re big into American stuff, the Mustang is the one to own, IMO if you like driving spiritedly. But the Camaro is close enough where it could be a matter of opinion. Dodges blow at everything. Nice writeup man! Did the GT come with the optional Brembos? They are supose to be amazing, and not fade nearly as much as the base brakes. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/14 "2010-06-16T20:49:21Z")
I hate you so much ---
**Author:** ![ReDevil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redevil/32/6385_2.png) [@ReDevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ReDevil)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/15 "2010-06-16T21:34:41Z")
Pretty damn cool. ---
**Author:** ![kramerbuccs24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kramerbuccs24/32/6397_2.png) [@kramerbuccs24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kramerbuccs24)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/16 "2010-06-17T00:01:42Z")
This whole thing is very cool. Keep us posted! ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/17 "2010-06-17T06:58:17Z")
Awesome! Yeah man commercials are no joke! There was a huge film crew here at work for like 12 hours for maybe 5sec of footage. :lol ---
**Author:** ![Wayne64SS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wayne64ss/32/6365_2.png) [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/18 "2010-06-17T07:14:05Z")
Sick dude, congrats on the wheelman opportunity. Does something like this pay good? Thanks for the review on the rides. When we gonna see you in a new GT? ---
**Author:** ![RocketPunch](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rocketpunch/32/6429_2.png) [@RocketPunch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RocketPunch)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/19 "2010-06-17T07:46:10Z")
Too bad the stig won’t be there, cause I am at work. :rofl ---
**Author:** ![SRS\_BZNS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/srs_bzns/32/6375_2.png) [@SRS\_BZNS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SRS_BZNS)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2010, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733/20 "2010-06-17T07:57:50Z")
IS this that new 305hp V6 mustang or is it a V8? [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-car-abuse-day-s-in-west-nowhere-va/252733.md?page=2)