# Domestic vs. Import **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 30, 2008, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518 "2008-01-30T12:56:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/81 "2008-01-31T09:25:07Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > > [@That Guy](#): > > > > As a personal thought the zo6 corvette is an amazing car which uses amazingly old technology. My only quesion is how great could this car be if it were to incorporate modern technology. Those leaf springs are tuned in perfectly you could argue but there still the technology of a long long time ago. Instead of having fuel saving technology Chevy decides to make u skip second gear under light technology and make a ridiculous 6th gear. I do not know how they will be able to improve on the corvette for the c7 without making some very serious changes. > > You say old technology for one reason and only one reason… Pushrods. Other than that the ZO6 Corvette has the technology of a Formula 1 race car. Yes OHV engines have there downfall with heavy valvetrain but over the years there has been alot of development done to these engines to the point that the ONLY thing low tech about them is the fact that they are pushrod/OHV geometry. Not to say OHC/DOHC isnt better. Because we all know that it is superior and GM knew this in the early 60s when experimenting with OHC engines for racing. Still I too wonder why GM didnt stick with the N\* or LT5 engine lines for performance vehicles actually i think he was referring to the c6 STILL using the same rear suspension design as your average pickup truck/dump truck ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/82 "2008-01-31T09:26:46Z")
actually dont the leafs mount perpendicular to the chassis, instead of latitudinal? is latitudinal a word? :rofl ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/83 "2008-01-31T09:27:25Z")
> [@Boostin Camaro](#): > > Why is it, that every single Pinks all out show I have seen…its all Domestic’s cleaning house? new ones and old ones… > > I saw a episode where their was a high 10 second turbo CRX…they made the biggest deal out of it because he was the first import ever on the show to get as far as he possibly did…Torque wins races > > To talk about the leaf springs in a Z06 and have it not handle as well as it possible could have…its kinda rediculous to say untill you have planted your ass in one of them…Im sorry, but I do not know any import that has ran a mid 11 second quarter Bone stock…to say that leaf springs dont work for the Z06 is absurd. The handling on the Z06, is like nothing I have ever experienced before…its different to say things and put a car down that you have never ridden in, then to actually feel what its like…not to mention, making 500rwhp at 4500K and over 500rwtq by 2000k is nothing to joke about. One of my good friends had a Z06 traded it in on a Ferrari, so I’m more then casually familiar with the car. If GM could get the steering feel right, install an appropriate interior and get the suspension up to date they would have the world class affordable super car. There is a reason no other serious sports car uses leaf springs(or in the vettes case, a single leaf spring), its antiquated technology that is a huge hurdle to over come to integrate it properly in a modern car. I’m starting to sound like a broken record here, the reason domestic are so much better at the quarter mile is because its what they were designed to do, a standing quarter mile is not a big factor when buying a super car, to most people who purchase them. That said off the top of my head, two imports that are quicker, Pagani Zonda C 12S and Koenigsegg CC8S ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/84 "2008-01-31T09:27:46Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#): > > actually dont the leafs mount perpendicular to the chassis, instead of latitudinal? > > is latitudinal a word? :rofl :nod ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/85 "2008-01-31T09:28:08Z")
cool, but i meant parallel :rofl ---
**Author:** ![timmay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@timmay](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/timmay)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/86 "2008-01-31T09:30:40Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#): > > cool, but i meant parallel > > :rofl Knowing that there is one leaf spring that is perpendicular to the chassis is the important thing to understand. ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/87 "2008-01-31T09:33:36Z")
oh there’s only one? i gotta read about this…how does that even work, i figured there was like some sort of cantilever that works with one on the front and one on the back, but this is only my pothead brain wrapping itself around things i’ve never researched… brbgoingtowikipedialol ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/88 "2008-01-31T09:35:43Z")
![http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Leafs2.jpg](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Leafs2.jpg) huh, neat > **[Corvette leaf spring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs)** > > Corvette leaf spring commonly refers to a type of independent suspension that utilizes a fiber-reinforced plastic (FRP) mono-leaf spring instead of more conventional coil springs. It is named after the Chevrolet Corvette, the American sports car for which it was originally developed and first utilized. A notable characteristic of this suspension configuration is the mounting of the mono-leaf spring such that it can serve as both ride spring and anti-roll spring. In contrast to m The leaf-spring... ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/89 "2008-01-31T09:36:07Z")
> [@germanmusclecars](#): > > or the guy that said he “had $100,000 worth of work” under a civic’s hood. it was an s2k… sheesh ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/90 "2008-01-31T09:36:27Z")
wait…but no i don’t understand why it even has a rear swaybar, doesnt the spring essentially act as a swaybar? ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/91 "2008-01-31T09:37:30Z")
> The extent to which a leaf spring acts as an anti-roll bar is determined by the way it is mounted. > A single, loose center mount would cause the spring to pivot about the center axis, and push one wheel down as the other was compressed upward. This is exactly opposite an anti-roll bar, and has not been used on any generation of the Corvette. > A single, perfectly tight center mount that held a small center section of the spring flat against the frame would isolate one side of the spring from the other. No roll or anti-roll effect would appear. The rear spring of the C2, C3, and C4 has this type of mount, which effectively divides the spring in two. It becomes a quarter-elliptic spring. > Since the C4, the Corvette has had widely-spaced double mounts on the front. The rear spring has had double mounts since the C5. The spring is allowed to pivot about these two points. When the suspension compresses and the end of the leaf is pulled up, the center of the leaf spring between the two mounts moves down. This in turn reduces the spring force on the wheel on the opposite side of the car. In this way, the leaf acts like an anti-roll bar. > When both sides of the suspension compress, the center length between mounts forms a U, with each wheel contributing. When one wheel moves up while the other moves down, the leaf is forced to make an “S” shaped bend. One wheel resists of the motion of the other, again like an anti-roll bar. The C4 engineers had hoped that the resulting anti-roll rate would be sufficient to eliminate the need for conventional anti-roll bars. It was not, but those required were smaller and lighter. > The C2 and C3 Corvettes from 1963 until 1983 also used a transverse leaf spring with two mounts, but it was constructed of multiple steel leafs with plastic anti-friction liners, and the mounts were closer together. These two traits prevented it from acting as an anti-roll bar, and caused it to be heavier and less reliable than the modern one-piece unit. > It is true that in the Corvette C4 and subsequent generations, the motion of one wheel deliberately impacts the motion, or more accurately the instantaneous spring rate, of the other wheel. However, this is common to all “independent” suspensions that use anti-roll mechanisms. shoulda kept reading :rofl ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/92 "2008-01-31T09:37:41Z")
this shouldnt even be a thread, because like k20 said, we are all partial to what we own or believe, i knew i was gonna get shitted on. This topic wont go anywhere and it will just be a shouting match, how about we call it a draw and say that we all own our cars for a certain reason, therefore no one is right, only in there own aspect. Domestics-big v8’s lots of torque cheap to mod, usually cant handle well, bad gas mileage Imports- take over in the styling department, make good power, handle well, more of the overall package not if i were to tell you a bought a camaro to run in a road coarse i would be lying, but if your telling me you bought you sti to tear up the 1/4 mile you would be an idiot, every car has there own specialty to them. Your comparing apples to oranges, which cant be done. Im not trying to make people mad or anything, or think that what im saying is “absurd” all im doing is stirring the pot, make people think, so there is no need for people to get bent out of shape about it. :ninja ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/93 "2008-01-31T09:40:05Z")
The e36 m3 and the e30 318 are the greatest cars ever made /thread ---
**Author:** ![GranMassaX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/granmassax/32/6299_2.png) [@GranMassaX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GranMassaX)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/94 "2008-01-31T09:40:42Z")
this thread wouldn’t be so out of hand if certain people didn’t make such outrageous comments ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/95 "2008-01-31T09:42:59Z")
For the price it still out handles most if not all of its imediate competition. How well does a SVT Lightning handle? 4200 pounds with a 8k lb. load capacity and it pulls over .9G on a skidpad. Not that the Corvette shound be updated but its hard to argue that with GM when the car performs as well as it does… If you want a Ferrari Then dont settle on a Vette I guess. > [@bennyfizzle](#): > > wait…but no i don’t understand why it even has a rear swaybar, doesnt the spring essentially act as a swaybar? the spring is ancored so each side works seperately as its own spring. If it wasnt then it would do the opposite of a sway bar. Cough! Corvair just for fun ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/96 "2008-01-31T09:44:20Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > this thread wouldn’t be so out of hand if certain people didn’t make such outrageous comments outrageous = stupid ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/97 "2008-01-31T09:45:11Z")
> [@GranMassaX](#): > > this thread wouldn’t be so out of hand if certain people didn’t make such outrageous comments what might that be? ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/98 "2008-01-31T09:46:04Z")
01 Camaro SS as scca auto x champ? I’ll get back to this after work… Im not mad by the way… its still a freindly conversation ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/99 "2008-01-31T09:46:11Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > > [@GranMassaX](#): > > > > this thread wouldn’t be so out of hand if certain people didn’t make such outrageous comments > > outrageous = stupid dude, why do you feel the need to offend people? just because you dont believe in what i say or other people? grow up ---
**Author:** ![plaf713](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@plaf713](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/plaf713)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518/100 "2008-01-31T09:47:04Z")
> [@Johawk](#): > > 01 Camaro SS as scca auto x champ? I’ll get back to this after work… Im not mad by the way… its still a freindly conversation good to hear theres another domestic [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/domestic-vs-import/235518.md?page=6)