# Down to Innovative for tuning **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [July 26, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020 "2007-07-26T15:41:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f17d59/32.png) [@Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Balt_SS_n_It)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/1 "2007-07-26T15:41:58Z")
I know you guys will hate on me but just thought Id post up Im heading down to Innovative to finish off the tuning on my Cobalt this weekend. I know its not as fast as most all the cars on the forum but I enjoy it and its fun to just have something to work on for now. Till I can afford the better ones. I am curious though does anyone know if innovate has air to liquid intercoolers. I need something bigger to help keep my temps down and Im just trying to figure out where to get something reasonable. thanks for any help guys ---
**Author:** ![2TurboZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/2turboz/32/7577_2.png) [@2TurboZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/2TurboZ)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/2 "2007-07-26T15:43:18Z")
Innovative will get you whatever you need. Good choice on getting the car down there :tup: ---
**Author:** ![woody](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/woody/32/7191_2.png) [@woody](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/woody)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/3 "2007-07-26T15:55:32Z")
from what i understand about air - water intercoolers, dont they just sustain lower temperatures for longer than air - air? air - air intercoolers will heatsoak if driven hard for a long period of time. maybe you just need a larger air - air? i would discuss it with mike before you go spending a ton of money on a baller setup if you dont really need it… ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/4 "2007-07-26T16:16:55Z")
what r u tunning with did u buy hp tuners? does mike know ur coming lol. get a cobra air exchanger all ss owners do that mod ---
**Author:** ![psphinx81](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9a140/32.png) [@psphinx81](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psphinx81)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/5 "2007-07-26T16:23:53Z")
[quote=“nitroinsane,post:4,topic:33020"”] get a cobra air exchanger all ss owners do that mod [/quote] yup, ull be set ---
**Author:** ![bladez](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bladez/32/7237_2.png) [@bladez](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bladez)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/6 "2007-07-26T16:26:47Z")
:word: big upgrade for those guys chris better have put his on by now ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/7 "2007-07-26T16:27:20Z")
[quote=“bladez,post:6,topic:33020"”] :word: big upgrade for those guys chris better have put his on by now [/quote] negative ---
**Author:** ![bladez](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bladez/32/7237_2.png) [@bladez](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bladez)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/8 "2007-07-26T16:41:26Z")
wow he sucks 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/9 "2007-07-26T16:47:08Z")
[quote=“woody,post:3,topic:33020"”] from what i understand about air - water intercoolers, dont they just sustain lower temperatures for longer than air - air? air - air intercoolers will heatsoak if driven hard for a long period of time. maybe you just need a larger air - air? i would discuss it with mike before you go spending a ton of money on a baller setup if you dont really need it… [/quote] Air to water is only superior when it comes to drag racing, or stop and go city driving. Air to water = more weight, more complexity, but will not have the initial heat soak issues that an air to air will have when standing still. Great for a drag car or someone who spends all their time downtown and never gets on the highway or a road longer than a mile. Oh and when your air to water does heat soak, good luck getting those IAT’s back down if you dont have a bag of ice handy. Air to air is lighter, will sustain substantially lower IAT’s when moving, but is inferior for drag racing as it will heat soak on the line and you cant get the IAT’s nearly as low as you could with a few bags of ice in the Water like you could with the other setup. Personally, I prefer a well designed Air to air, because I dont do much drag racing and spend most of my time in my cars moving. (when they run, har har har). ---
**Author:** ![91MR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91mr2/32/7217_2.png) [@91MR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91MR2)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/10 "2007-07-26T16:53:48Z")
Good information. ---
**Author:** ![dreid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dreid/32/7388_2.png) [@dreid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dreid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/11 "2007-07-26T17:04:26Z")
[quote=“MPD47,post:9,topic:33020"”] good luck getting those IAT’s back down if you dont have a bag of ice handy. [/quote] make sure you stay near a wilson farm or 7-11 very good info to know. ---
**Author:** ![bladez](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bladez/32/7237_2.png) [@bladez](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bladez)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/12 "2007-07-26T17:26:52Z")
mine doesn’t heat soak with water-air :gotme:. i haven’t seen iat2 temps higher than 115\* with repeated back to back pulls ---
**Author:** ![Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f17d59/32.png) [@Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Balt_SS_n_It)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/13 "2007-07-26T18:02:08Z")
mike knows im coming. they have hp tuners at the shop. Reason i want the air to liquid is because then i can just switch my lins and stay with a mostly stock setup. I plan on gettingn the dual pass plate aswell. I cant wait to have mike finish this thing up on saturday ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/14 "2007-07-26T18:04:46Z")
[quote=“bladez,post:12,topic:33020"”] mine doesn’t heat soak with water-air :gotme:. i haven’t seen iat2 temps higher than 115\* with repeated back to back pulls [/quote] Two pulls, I wouldnt expect it to. 10-20 minutes of WOT I would, which is where an Air to air really takes over. Even with moderate highway driving a good Air to Air is superior to a Air to water, but for the occasional WOT pull Air to water is superior (especially if you have ice available). For a setup like yours, Air to water makes sense, for one like mine, Air to Air makes sense. As always there are merits for each application. ---
**Author:** ![articzap](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/articzap/32/7361_2.png) [@articzap](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/articzap)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/15 "2007-07-26T18:12:45Z")
A Cobra heat exchanger shouldn’t be your first mod. A dual pass plate should come first then do the heat exchanger. ---
**Author:** ![Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f17d59/32.png) [@Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Balt_SS_n_It)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/16 "2007-07-26T18:56:51Z")
it will be much easier for me to change the exchanger then to do the dual pass. So i plan on buying both at the same time. Doing the exchanger then in a few days the dual pass when i have the time to remove the supercharger and manifold. I am just curious what exchanger to get and it looks like the cobra is winning ---
**Author:** ![greenbull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@greenbull](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/greenbull)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/17 "2007-07-26T21:51:32Z")
damn i didn’t know mike had hptuners now. hmm i may have to give him a ring. if your looking for something larger than the stock cobra H/E go look at LFP or other larger aftermarket heatexchangers for the cobra. ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/18 "2007-07-26T21:53:37Z")
yep innovative tuning now has hp tuners software 🙂 i’m sure mike will post up the list of cars its available for, but i know for sure cobalt ss is one of them! ---
**Author:** ![13005TEDGP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/edb3f5/32.png) [@13005TEDGP](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/13005TEDGP)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/19 "2007-07-26T22:29:35Z")
Welcome to the message board. As for a a water to air intercooler…Im guessing that you mean that you want a bigger front mount…correct? I own a '97 GP thats Supercharged and intercooled. So, we have that in common. I run a HUGE front mount radiator. Its actually a radiator for cooling an engine. 😉 It makes the Cobra front mount look tiny. It might be overkill but for a car thats driven alot on the streets, bigger is usually better. The more surface area the liquid can go across and be cooled, the better. ---
**Author:** ![Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f17d59/32.png) [@Balt\_SS\_n\_It](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Balt_SS_n_It)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020/20 "2007-07-27T03:24:40Z")
he has the unlimited license for the cobalts. I have been talking to him for months to set this all up Between that and all the good things i hear, I cant wait to see how much more he can eek out of this thing. Again not as fast as most but does the job for autocross and fun for me [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/down-to-innovative-for-tuning/33020.md?page=2)