# DSM differences? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [March 25, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653 "2008-03-25T21:50:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![VANDIT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vandit/32/4977_2.png) [@VANDIT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/VANDIT)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/21 "2008-03-28T11:10:10Z")
the blue dsm’s are faster then the red ones, and the orange ones taste a lot fuckin better then the black and white ones… ohh, they have hissy things under the hoods… all the wheels move by the hissy tingy… thats about it =) hope that helpeddeddd ---
**Author:** ![skylinez07](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skylinez07/32/4993_2.png) [@skylinez07](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skylinez07)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/22 "2008-03-28T11:11:58Z")
> [@VANDIT](#): > > the blue dsm’s are faster then the red ones, and the orange ones taste a lot fuckin better then the black and white ones… > > ohh, they have hissy things under the hoods… > > all the wheels move by the hissy tingy… > > thats about it =) > > hope that helpeddeddd lol:lolsign: ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/23 "2008-03-28T11:32:57Z")
> [@cky89](#): > > EVO’s are considered DSM’s. evo’s what is considered faster then dsm’s what? ---
**Author:** ![Carbonfiberhooded](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carbonfiberhooded/32/7608_2.png) [@Carbonfiberhooded](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carbonfiberhooded)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/24 "2008-03-28T12:34:46Z")
> [@skylinez07](#): > > so basically put a 4g63 from a 1st gen into a 2nd gen? That works! Just make sure your swapping a 4G63 for a 4G63. The 4G63 to 420a swap isn’t worth the effort and money. ---
**Author:** ![skylinez07](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skylinez07/32/4993_2.png) [@skylinez07](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skylinez07)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/25 "2008-03-28T12:37:11Z")
> [@Carbonfiberhooded](#): > > That works! Just make sure your swapping a 4G63 for a 4G63. The 4G63 to 420a swap isn’t worth the effort and money. well i have a 420a in a 2nd gen in there now so bad idea to swap? ---
**Author:** ![eclipsed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@eclipsed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eclipsed)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/26 "2008-03-28T12:58:32Z")
this thread is rampant with glaring misinformation. i dont know where to begin. if people would just do searches and do some research and ask more informed questions, it would be much better. but, i suppose people that dont know anything would still respond and muck it up anyway, so… :bloated: ---
**Author:** ![Carbonfiberhooded](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carbonfiberhooded/32/7608_2.png) [@Carbonfiberhooded](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carbonfiberhooded)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/27 "2008-03-28T13:00:33Z")
Unless you have money to blow, and know how to weld and have a parts car. Much easier to sell what you have and just buy one that came turbo stock. ---
**Author:** ![skylinez07](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skylinez07/32/4993_2.png) [@skylinez07](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/skylinez07)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/28 "2008-03-28T13:19:10Z")
> [@Carbonfiberhooded](#): > > Unless you have money to blow, and know how to weld and have a parts car. Much easier to sell what you have and just buy one that came turbo stock. pft ill just keep this as a dd and buy one lol… but i just bought it and not a bad price for it. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/29 "2008-03-28T13:29:02Z")
Hypothetical: For a NA application only (I am a pussy, turbos scare me), what would be the best to swap into a '90 Galant GSX? (original 4g63 NA, AWD) Would the 4g69 work, or did the flywheel migrate to the other side? 4g64? I wants siq torque, and to start dumb arguements. ---
**Author:** ![eclipsed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bbce88/32.png) [@eclipsed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/eclipsed)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/30 "2008-03-28T13:31:01Z")
> [@fairgentleman Z](#): > > Hypothetical: > > For a NA application only (I am a pussy, turbos scare me), what would be the best to swap into a '90 Galant GSX? (original 4g63 NA, AWD) > > Would the 4g69 work, or did the flywheel migrate to the other side? 4g64? > > I wants siq torque, and to start dumb arguements. ive never heard of a 4g69. you could swap in a 4g64 block, and still used the 4g63 head. that would up the displacement by 25% and would help with torque… although, im not sure the increased weight would justify the minimal siqqqqq torque increase. ---
**Author:** ![fairgentleman\_Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fairgentleman_z/32/7263_2.png) [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/31 "2008-03-28T15:13:20Z")
Stock for stock, the 4g64 has 26% more torque. > [@eclipsed](#): > > although, im not sure the increased weight would justify the minimal siqqqqq torque increase. Increased weight?, I was under the impression that they were both cast iron fours. I didn’t know the 4g64 **weighed ~750 pounds more** than the 4g63, thank you for your input. ---
**Author:** ![Cavi\_Mike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cavi_mike/32/5217_2.png) [@Cavi\_Mike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cavi_Mike)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/32 "2008-03-28T16:16:15Z")
> [@eclipsed](#): > > ive never heard of a 4g69. > > you could swap in a 4g64 block, and still used the 4g63 head. that would up the displacement by 25% and would help with torque… although, im not sure the increased weight would justify the minimal siqqqqq torque increase. Weight? For someone that talks about a thread “rampant with glaring misinformation” you sure don’t know very much, do you? Let me guess, you also drive a non-turbo Eclipse that you like to call a DSM? Go home n00b. ---
**Author:** ![STEALTTH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stealtth/32/7582_2.png) [@STEALTTH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/STEALTTH)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/33 "2008-03-28T16:18:08Z")
> [@3sny](#): > > the vin tag in the engine bay of my 3kgt says dsm The 3S platform is not a DSM… ---
**Author:** ![3sny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/3sny/32/5005_2.png) [@3sny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/3sny)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/34 "2008-03-28T16:25:49Z")
the 91 stealth that i had said dsm under the hood on the vin tag ---
**Author:** ![STEALTTH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stealtth/32/7582_2.png) [@STEALTTH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/STEALTTH)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/35 "2008-03-28T16:26:38Z")
go do your research, its not a DSM. ---
**Author:** ![Cavi\_Mike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cavi_mike/32/5217_2.png) [@Cavi\_Mike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cavi_Mike)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/36 "2008-03-28T16:29:13Z")
All 3000GT’s, Stealth’s, Eclipse’s, Laser’s and Talon’s 1994 and prior said DSM on them. For the 1995 model year and forward they were just ‘Mitsubishi Motors.’ _edit_ but that doesn’t mean 3000GT’s and Stealth’s are considered DSM’s. ---
**Author:** ![STEALTTH](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stealtth/32/7582_2.png) [@STEALTTH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/STEALTTH)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/37 "2008-03-28T16:34:33Z")
A joint effort by Mitsubishi (three diamonds) and the Chrysler Corporation (penta-star) to build some of the most incredible automobiles in the world. The vehicles were produced with the names Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, and Plymouth Laser. DSM cars are assembled in **Normal, Illinois.** The '94-and-up Mitsubishi Galant is also assembled at the DSM plant in IL; previous Galant’s were assembled in Japan. The Eclipse and Galant (since '89) share the same platform. I understand where people get confused…I had a 3000GT and Stealth turbo, but I’ve done my research within the 6 years that I owned those cars. ---
**Author:** ![3sny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/3sny/32/5005_2.png) [@3sny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/3sny)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/38 "2008-03-28T16:37:52Z")
ive had 5 of the 3s cars and currently still have 2 and the 1991 stealth i had the vin plate said dsm. Im not arguing because i dont care who made it, just stating what it said ---
**Author:** ![Cavi\_Mike](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cavi_mike/32/5217_2.png) [@Cavi\_Mike](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cavi_Mike)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/39 "2008-03-28T16:42:32Z")
My friends Stealth said DSM all under the hood too. I don’t know if we shipped those parts to Japan or if the cars were assembled here. I was under the impression they were built here. ---
**Author:** ![3sny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/3sny/32/5005_2.png) [@3sny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/3sny)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2008, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653/40 "2008-03-28T16:48:00Z")
stealtth is correct all 3s cars were built in japan im not sure why some 1st gen cars had dsm tags. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dsm-differences/45653.md?page=3)