# DYI: 3000GT Oil Pan by Final GTS **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 17, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038 "2009-10-17T12:38:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/101 "2009-10-19T23:10:22Z")
> [@greenbull](#): > > Dan did well until another person started doing the same as him and just flooded the market with parts. LOL, you probably remember me bitching about that moron on a daily basis. I still think the most ironic part is how he tried to rally the members against my pricing [which was fair at the time], only to crash the market, put himself out of business, and be hailed as one of the largest douchebags ever on that website after he shafted SLEWS of members in a row. I hope that few extra bucks off was worth getting FUCKED by the guy that was going to save you the money guys! LOL Just one more example of “its not always JUST the price” ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/102 "2009-10-20T05:26:04Z")
This is why I shop at walmart. ---
**Author:** ![livin4hockey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d2c977/32.png) [@livin4hockey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/livin4hockey)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/103 "2009-10-20T14:22:34Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > I have answered the topic of “how I got into this” more times than I can count over the years. You guys really want me to explain it again? > > LOL. > > 1. I had a fair amount of cash when I was young by doing side jobs; repairing high-end paintball guns, repairing Gas R/C cars, etc. > > 2. I bought a wrecked 3000GT VR4, and parted it out. Simple Ebay transaction. > > 3. I bought another wrecked VR4’s and parted it out with the profit from the first. > > [At the time, a 3K investment was EASILY turned into 15K in parts.] > > 1. I bought an unwrecked 3000GT VR4 back in 2001 > > 2. I parted out more VR4’s > > 3. I bought a new Viper in 2002. > > 4. Started a small scale business dealing with Vipers in 2002, building on my friends with Vipers as an early customer base. > > 5. 3000GT Market crashed in 2003 > > [I probably caused this one… LMAO. Myself and another guy went toe to toe and flooded the market, then a bunch of Johnny Come Lately’s found out we were making a killing, and overnight there was 20 guys doing the same as us] > > 1. Started a full time legit business dealing with Vipers in 2004. > > 2. Bought a new Viper SRT-10 in 2004 to learn the SRT-10 market. > > 3. Diversified on my Viper market with some other super-exotics which were owned by Viper owners who already knew me. > > 4. Went international with parts sales, and started taking on R&D for new components and revisions of current parts. > > 5. Started doing Warranty work for Saleen Specialty Vehicles Inc. [Back before they were re-sold] > > 6. Currently slipping into a couple other markets, and have begun R&D on Gen-4 Viper drivetrains. > > Etc, Etc, Etc… Here we are. > [@Tim](#): > > I remember the day you brought the Viper to school, Dan. Shit was priceless :lol: I’m arriving late to this thread here but just wanted to add to being one of those who remembers that day as well. I don’t think I ever believed you were financing the Viper yourself through your business until I ran into you on here. Granted I didn’t really know who you were well enough in high school either. Not trying to stir the pot here either as I’ve dealt with both Jay and Dan before and have had great positive transactions with them both. ---
**Author:** ![NYstanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NYstanger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/NYstanger)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/104 "2009-10-20T16:47:49Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > 3000GT VR4’s were a hell of a market back in the day… expensive new, parts were insanely expensive. However, they were dirt cheap salvage because they were impossible to put back together, and nobody wanted to work on them. > > I am not ASE certified, and I have not had any “formal” training in the automotive field, and would put myself up against any of them, any day. I am self taught in every respect save about 75% of a Mech E/MBA, but that was after I was already head first into doing what I do now. I feel that for the most part, those programs teach you how to swap parts and do simple diagnosis on certain systems, but thats about it. Not that I am knocking them, but I know MANY, MANY ASE techs at dealerships that may be mechanically inclined, but ask them WHY they are doing what they are doing, or WHY exactly something works the way it does, and you get the blank stare. > > When it comes to mechanical and electrical devices, I have always been able to understand them. I have yet to have any type of automotive system make me scratch my head for more than a few minutes, other than getting into bus system code and things of that nature. A lot can be said about understanding WHY you are doing something or WHY something works as opposed to HOW to change something or HOW something works. One of those can only be applied to an application, the other can be applied to an entire market. So it isn’t necessary to have any kinda certification or training behind you to open up a repair shop? Not being a smart ass, just don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/105 "2009-10-20T16:48:52Z")
Nope. \*\*\* ---
**Author:** ![NYstanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NYstanger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/NYstanger)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/106 "2009-10-20T16:51:38Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Nope. \*\*\* I see what you did there. lol ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/107 "2009-10-20T16:57:05Z")
Just saying, Dan is not a dumb kid, but lacks the social smarts sometimes to not come off like a complete pompous prick on the internet. His “pride” that radiates from him may sort of give off the effect that even if he did fuck something up, he wouldn’t admit to it. ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/108 "2009-10-20T19:47:01Z")
> [@Daddie](#): > > Just saying, Dan is not a dumb kid, but lacks the social smarts sometimes to not come off like a complete pompous prick on the internet. Its not that I dont know how, I just dont care :shrug: But you have to remember, I deal with pompous pricks on a daily basis. If I wasn’t like that my customers would not talk to me anymore, I am just one of the guys now. LOL! ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/109 "2009-10-20T22:59:01Z")
> [@NYstanger](#): > > So it isn’t necessary to have any kinda certification or training behind you to open up a repair shop? Not being a smart ass, just don’t know. Nope, nothing on the certification end, that is more for employer/employee and customer/employee relationships. You do of course need various permits/licenses/etc, but that all is entirely dependent on what type of work you plan to do, whether it be inspections, basic service, “gray area” performance work, race cars, paint and body, etc. ---
**Author:** ![JDMSIR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdmsir/32/7376_2.png) [@JDMSIR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JDMSIR)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/110 "2009-10-20T23:35:04Z")
I like Dan, dont know him but like his style. Holy fucking high school 9 years later, keep ballin Dan. Let the haters hate. ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/111 "2009-10-22T20:58:10Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > Its not that I dont know how, I just dont care :shrug: > > But you have to remember, I deal with pompous pricks on a daily basis. If I wasn’t like that my customers would not talk to me anymore, I am just one of the guys now. LOL! Eh, that’s everyone’s excuse. You never knew… ---
**Author:** ![Final\_GTS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/final_gts/32/7359_2.png) [@Final\_GTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Final_GTS)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/112 "2009-10-23T06:47:13Z")
> [@Daddie](#): > > Eh, that’s everyone’s excuse. You never knew… Nah… I just never submitted to apologizing for what I can do to make other people feel better about not doing the same, and that apparently rubs people the wrong way. I dont draw attention to this, but my personal bandwagon does a good job of skewing this fact. I can say the exact same things as anybody else, and get a completely different response. I don’t think it is a coincidence that this started happening right around the same time I got the first Viper… funny how it never happened until then. Funny how it has never happened on ANY OTHER WEBSITE, with the exception of websites that contain some of the same members as HERE. There is an underlying reason that explains everything, but I leave it to others to say that… saying it myself, just proves the point to those looking for sharp items 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/113 "2009-10-23T07:29:15Z")
This didn’t start when you bought your Viper… if you want to think that go right ahead, lol. Vipers have nothing to do with this. An no one is questioning the work you’ve done since or your business. I didn’t even know Jay back in '01 and I knew about this oil pan job. An not from Jay either - from others that saw what happened and the results. The reason why people “hate” is because you won’t man up to a mistake. And because almost everyone here knows Jay and knows that he’s too much of a nice guy to say anything in his defense. Should he have said something when it happened? Yeah. But that’s not Jay. And while you were sitting in your Viper at Mighty staring at people, not getting out of the car or talking to anyone, Jay was getting to know the members of this forum and meeting them in person. Who do you think we’re going to believe? The kid who “doesn’t have time for this forum” or the kid who we’ve all met and know would give the shirt off his back to help anyone? This conversation sums things up: > [@Final GTS](#): > > … You also know damn well that I didn’t so much as pick up a tool when I came over that day for all of 20 minutes, I wasn’t even wearing clothes I could have worked in. > [@Adictd2b00st](#): > > ![http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c354/adictd2b00st2/notimingbelt1.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/c/0/c0c41aed6b5ce42fe8b9429c01cf016346bc19ee.jpeg) > > just saying… must have been a coincidence or something :gotme: sorry I didn’t chronical your every move to get a shot of you with a tool in your hand, but you must have been over by the engine like that for no reason at all. oh wait thats right, that was when you were doing the timing, after pulling and putting the oil pan back on! > > :2fingers: > > just man up and say you fucked up because you were still learning back then, is it that hard? lol ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038/114 "2009-10-23T07:57:32Z")
> [@Final GTS](#): > > Its not that I dont know how, I just dont care :shrug: > > But you have to remember, I deal with pompous pricks on a daily basis. If I wasn’t like that my customers would not talk to me anymore, I am just one of the guys now. LOL! No, you’re incorrect, and obviously delusional. From a completely 3rd person point of view, (which started long ago with a positive view of you from a couple great and reputable people might I add) I saw you both in person and on the internet. In person, a soft spoken, sort of reserved in a social setting guy. On the internet, a pompous prick, which seemed to grow exponentially with your acquisition of your Viper. I went to high school with a bunch of kids who drove really, really nice cars that didn’t have e-cocks the size of yours. I tried defending you many a times before on these forums and what do you do? You never “submitted” as you said, never took any of the good criticism people on your side were trying to feed to you. You actually began attacking me, pretty much slapping me in the face. I continued to sit here and watched as you pretty much justified your “everyone’s hating on me” attitude merely because you owned a Viper at such a young age, completely blind to the fact that you made yourself look like you had the maturity level of a toddler. I began to wonder how such a resourceful kid could be such a fucking douchebag. I made an excuse and said “eh, well he’s young, he’ll grow out of it. All smart people see the err of their ways and eventually realize that they were dumbasses before.” I apparently was wrong. Whatever Dan, you keep doing what your doing. I know you will think that in no way am I right, that you aren’t that guy that I am talking about. Just remember, you’re never the best judge of yourself. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dyi-3000gt-oil-pan-by-final-gts/75038.md?page=5)