# Engine build thoughts.
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063
**Category:** PittSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [August 27, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063 "2007-08-27T16:08:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@yamaha](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamaha)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/1 "2007-08-27T16:08:49Z")
I’ve come to the conclusion I want some more power from my motor. Minus turning the boost up and potentially blowing the current one, I will be building my spare block/head up. I’ve been debating on the 1.8 rods and pistons combonation for the pure reliability and cost of them, or going with a full Pauter rod and new Wiseco Piston combonation.
There is a company that can raise the redline on the ECU, upwards of 8,000rpm. I would only prefer 7,500rpm for some more usable powerband. My problem lies within if I use the 1.8 rods and pistons, since the rod is shorter, this poses a problem by putting more sideload on the piston’s themselves. Cost vs. Reliability are also another factor. I could potenially be saving 800 dollars if I do go with the 1.8 combonation.
My other issues lie within what to actually do to the engine. I’ve been talking with a few people about extensive internal work to be done to safely and reliably over-rev that high, and here are my thoughts so far.
Block:
overbore
hone
vac cleaning
magnaflux
checking the deck
deburring
red glyphol
knifedge crank
balance crank
Rods/Pistons:
1.8l rods and pistons shotpeened and balanced
Pauter rods/Wiseco Pistons
Head:
porting/polish
new OEM valves
RPW springs
If 1.8l rods and pistons are used, ARP main bolts and ARP headstuds.
If Pauter rods/Wiseco pistons used, APR headstuds.
Thoughts, suggestions?
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### Author:  [@vw16vcabby](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vw16vcabby)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2007, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/2 "2007-08-27T18:40:55Z")
spend money on standalone efi and push th ebone stock engines as far as you can. they pop, swap a new one in.
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### Author:  [@Black\_Integra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Black_Integra)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/3 "2007-08-27T18:43:13Z")
> [@MT SUV?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mt-suv/32158/11):
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> I’ve come to the conclusion I want some more power from my motor.
have’nt we all?
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### Author:  [@bgblockelcamino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bgblockelcamino)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/4 "2007-08-27T18:50:18Z")
> [@WTB: Acoustic Bass](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-acoustic-bass/30565/11):
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> have’nt we all?
truth
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### Author:  [@TXcivic96](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TXcivic96)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2007, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/5 "2007-08-27T19:57:52Z")
why go with $1000 rods and $250 pistons, I’d go with arias, or JE pistons.
Sorry not a Weisco fan unless it’s in a bike.
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### Author:  [@Black\_Integra](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Black_Integra)
#### Post date: [August 27, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/6 "2007-08-27T19:58:52Z")
> [@MT SUV?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/mt-suv/32158/37):
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> why go with $1000 rods and $250 pistons, I’d go with arias, or JE pistons.
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> Sorry not a Weisco fan unless it’s in a bike.
my wiseco’s work fine in my car
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### Author:  [@kilmer420](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kilmer420)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2007, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/7 "2007-08-29T05:23:47Z")
> [@The N word was buried..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-n-word-was-buried/32146/39):
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> my wiseco’s work fine in my car
agreed…
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### Author:  [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2007, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/8 "2007-08-29T11:44:48Z")
do they make ealge rods for your car?
I would not get anything “shot peened” esp OEM hyundi parts.
what is more RPM going to give you? if i recall correctly the stoke on the tibbys are fairly large like 90mm+ if thats the case you will need a new rod to hanndle the RPMs with a decent size rod bolts…i would say stick to the stock rev limiter and Raise the boost pressure
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### Author:  [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2007, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/9 "2007-08-29T11:46:10Z")
Also i really cant understand some of the wording…Always stay away from used rods and pistons…most machine shops will not even want to touch it if the shit is used…
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### Author:  [@yamaha](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamaha)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2007, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/10 "2007-08-29T12:47:05Z")
Stock 1.8l rods and pistons would lower the compression to 7.8:1, which would allow for a crazy amount of boost. The stroke on the Beta motor is only 83mm.
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### Author:  [@fmfkid250](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fmfkid250)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2007, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/11 "2007-08-29T16:01:50Z")
> [@Who plans to go to their high school reuion ? version 2.0](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/who-plans-to-go-to-their-high-school-reuion-version-2-0/32168/46):
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> Stock 1.8l rods and pistons would lower the compression to 7.8:1, which would allow for a crazy amount of boost. The stroke on the Beta motor is only 83mm.
What is the weekest link…on a honda it is the rods and pistons look at stenzals car pistons + rods + turbo 400 pump gas hp
as for 7.8:1 that is not a good idea… I personally wouldent run anything lower then 9:1 in any app
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### Author:  [@yamaha](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/yamaha)
#### Post date: [August 29, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/engine-build-thoughts/192063/12 "2007-08-29T18:04:30Z")
The weakest part is the pistons themselves. Rods can hold up to 425whp. The guys over in Korea run the 1.8l combo on 400whp applications with no issues.