# Ethanol is a failure (split) **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [April 26, 2011, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091 "2011-04-26T05:58:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GermanPSI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/germanpsi/32/6353_2.png) [@GermanPSI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GermanPSI)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/21 "2011-04-26T12:14:22Z")
I am diesel ---
**Author:** ![Boost\_Creep](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boost_creep/32/6366_2.png) [@Boost\_Creep](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boost_Creep)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/22 "2011-04-26T12:15:17Z")
Then I love you ---
**Author:** ![GermanPSI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/germanpsi/32/6353_2.png) [@GermanPSI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GermanPSI)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/23 "2011-04-26T12:15:57Z")
:hug ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/24 "2011-04-26T12:21:00Z")
I am an OG dieseler ---
**Author:** ![usmc2801](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/usmc2801/32/6387_2.png) [@usmc2801](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/usmc2801)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/25 "2011-04-26T12:24:37Z")
JP8 \> Diesel Used that in the humvees, tanks etc. when I was in Iraq…yeaaaa buddy. ---
**Author:** ![cazwrx187](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cazwrx187/32/6388_2.png) [@cazwrx187](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cazwrx187)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/26 "2011-04-26T12:26:41Z")
> [@Twins unknowingly marry each other](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/twins-unknowingly-marry-each-other/41655/15): > > I’ve been paying 3.19 for the past few weeks. > > Cheapest I paid last yr was 1.99. > > When I got tuned last year I paid 2.20 gal… E85 is highest in the winter and drops a bit in the summer… But that was last yr. You’re paying less but you’re also getting less mpg. It’s the same , or even more expensive, as normal gas in the end. E85 produces 25-30% less energy than 87 octane. ---
**Author:** ![Eatonualive](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/eatonualive/32/6442_2.png) [@Eatonualive](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Eatonualive)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/27 "2011-04-26T12:30:11Z")
yeah, anybody that uses ethanol in their everyday car or their “flex fuel” jumpoff is a moron. I hate this shit with a passion. only good use for it is as an alternative performance fuel…thats it ---
**Author:** ![Wayne64SS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wayne64ss/32/6365_2.png) [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/28 "2011-04-26T12:33:01Z")
> [@it's friday and](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-friday-and/41661/18): > > You’re paying less but you’re also getting less mpg. It’s the same , [b]or even more expensive[b], as normal gas in the end. E85 produces 25-30% less energy than 87 octane. The amount you use will more than surpass ANY price difference at the pump. MPG is the LARGEST factor in the amount you guys are spending on fuel. It is a horrible idea for the main stream, but when compared with race gas it’s still the best thing since fake tits. ---
**Author:** ![Johawk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/johawk/32/6284_2.png) [@Johawk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Johawk)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/29 "2011-04-26T12:35:15Z")
E85 is not for everyone. I think that current vehicle switching to ethanol and new vehicles running new blends of bio diesel will be a greater benefit. I’m not gonna argue the economy aspect as it does take more energy to make as well as energy to transport cause the pipelines in place currently are not capable of moving ethanol. The infrastructure is crap. As far as price vs MPG its close to 93. I would not substitute E85 for 87. at $3.19 a gallon I payed for E85 and got 220 miles to a tank I still made out better than 93 @ $4.28 and 260 miles to a tank. There are other properties to consider besides the 27% less energy per pound of fuel. The actual difference in economy can be anywhere between 40% to 10% depending on so many factors I wouldn’t know where to begin. The flex fuel cars are terrible. Like I said previously as others about substituting E85 for 87. An engine optimized for 87 octane will not make efficient use of 100+ octane fuel. My car at 10.1:1 doesn’t make use of 100 octane. I should be at close to 11:1. Ethanol does not allow for huge jumps in timing due to faster flame speed than gasoline but it will allow more compression and/or boost. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/30 "2011-04-26T14:09:29Z")
> [@it's friday and](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/its-friday-and/41661/18): > > You’re paying less but you’re also getting less mpg. It’s the same , or even more expensive, as normal gas in the end. E85 produces 25-30% less energy than 87 octane. actually no not really. EVERYTIME i take the evo out, pump gas or e85… i burn 20$ worth of fuel. every single time… 14mpg on e85 city, 19 on 93 octane… very marginal difference, its more cost effective for me to run on e85. ---
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/31 "2011-04-26T14:12:50Z")
I noticed the ability to run the timing up pretty good when switching to ethanol. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/32 "2011-04-26T14:13:37Z")
thats the whole point of e85 TIMING TIMINGTIMING ---
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/33 "2011-04-26T14:17:35Z")
My tuner was pretty shocked with how much he safely added to it in winter blend. ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/34 "2011-04-26T14:23:10Z")
I didnt know you were running corn juice death ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/35 "2011-04-26T14:32:29Z")
i got death hooked on the e85 ---
**Author:** ![DeathbyRT](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deathbyrt/32/6648_2.png) [@DeathbyRT](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DeathbyRT)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/36 "2011-04-26T14:36:28Z")
Psh, was tuning for it before i knew ya. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/37 "2011-04-26T14:43:19Z")
get real ---
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/38 "2011-04-26T14:55:23Z")
I was running it before it hit $1.60/gal. as a daily driving fuel. It worked fuckin’ perfect, it all works out fine if you have your shit tuned correctly. I have similar results to what Joe claims, but I can also go faster. LOLZ ---
**Author:** ![Murrdog9000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/murrdog9000/32/6391_2.png) [@Murrdog9000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Murrdog9000)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/39 "2011-04-26T15:00:41Z")
I use to drink it when it was $1.00 a gallon. ---
**Author:** ![HudsonFalcon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hudsonfalcon/32/6460_2.png) [@HudsonFalcon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HudsonFalcon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091/40 "2011-04-26T15:04:27Z")
I like E-85 and I’m going to tune my Evo to use it HOWEVER fuel should never be made from a food source. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ethanol-is-a-failure-split/258091.md?page=3)