# Everyone enjoying their tax hikes? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 3, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914 "2013-01-03T14:09:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/41 "2013-01-05T06:34:44Z")
> [@Kid Pees on a Ferrari \*vid](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/kid-pees-on-a-ferrari-vid/51293/35): > > It’s not a luxury to save for retirement, if you want to retire it’s a necessity it’s also a necessity to pay for rent, and food. again, not everyone has the luxury or opportunity to be able to get this. ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/42 "2013-01-05T07:42:37Z")
What makes food or rent a luxury? The fact that thy will be given to you if you choose not to provide them for yourself? ---
**Author:** ![byroll01](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/byroll01/32/6283_2.png) [@byroll01](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/byroll01)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/43 "2013-01-05T08:45:46Z")
> [@FAWK. I've converted](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fawk-ive-converted/50145/75): > > Get another job if it only went down 12. lol. i own 2 domino’s. I draw a minumum salary and live off anything I can take under the table and an occasional bonus check when I need it. Sometimes I take a delivery shift and pocket the cash, still love delivering pizzas, no joke. ---
**Author:** ![Gundamzeppelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Gundamzeppelin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gundamzeppelin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/44 "2013-01-05T10:10:58Z")
> [@Vovchandr"](#): > > Damn Obama introducing the bill in 1984 through Reagan. Then later through Clinton and finally through Bush. > > Clever fuck. > > [ObamaPhones | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp) > > :ponder How dare you sir! In America we have short attention spans, we do not care for facts we just blame the guy who is currently in office. It’s much easier that way like I said: American = Sort memory.:lol > [@Official "sightings" thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-sightings-thread/53153/151): > > I’m not sorry facts and reality and fact checking websites disagree with your bias. > > Don’t worry religion loves people who don’t fact check and are fear mongered. Praise Jesus! > > I’m as much a supporter as you are rocket scientist however you keep making wrong references and you will look stupid regardless who the politician might be on the end of your ignorance. God Bless America! > [@GenPatton"](#): > > Looks like I’ll be losing about $140 more a month now to taxes due to the fiscal cliff collapse. > > Hurray Republicans and Democrats alike for letting it get this bad. :banghead Well it’s our own fault for not being rich really. The country was found for rich white men by rich white men. Everyone else is cannon fodder, wallstreet is FULL of insider trading crooks, the government is full of bribe taking dirt bags. What can one expect it was a country founded by thieves & Liars! The Two Party Dictatorship has failed the working class yet again & will continue to do… till a civil war happens, which it wont so get used to it that’s our only option. Btw Enjoy the internet while you can mark my words it will change for the worse. Along with your right to sell shit you own… because business don’t get a cut of your resale of said items you own. ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/45 "2013-01-05T10:19:28Z")
> [@Any scrap yards have a Tercel?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/any-scrap-yards-have-a-tercel/51344/17): > > What makes food or rent a luxury? The fact that thy will be given to you if you choose not to provide them for yourself? read what i wrote. people who are making minimum wage can barely afford rent and food. i didnt say those were luxuries. saving for retirement is. and someone who can barely afford to live can not afford to save for retirement. :ponder ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/46 "2013-01-05T13:16:18Z")
> [@july 12th import car show Rochester NY](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/july-12th-import-car-show-rochester-ny/49905/29): > > Did not realize there are so members here that makes 400k+ a year…:rofl Are you suggesting thats what it takes to see a tax increase? We all just got several increases… for example, 2.3 percent on medical devices gross sales…that will reflect in your bills, or bills of loved ones…just as one small example. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/47 "2013-01-05T13:17:22Z")
> [@Hang Your Cross"](#): > > exactly why i find it funny how fox news tells the middle/lower middle class to be outraged, when they are making like $40k/year. > > Also, this is not really a tax, more like a forced retirement, since you will be getting money back in the end. You…simply drank the kool aid and it made you blind. You think your cost of living didnt just go up? ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/48 "2013-01-05T13:21:21Z")
> [@Vegetable stands. Where are they?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/vegetable-stands-where-are-they/51324/62): > > That’s good, considering he wasn’t sworn in president until January 09, and the cellphone program was initiated in October 08. > > Did Obama get rid of this program? No. The program has been alive since Reagan with phone companies and tax payers providing subsidies towards low income families. > > This has no more merit than Bush being responsible for 911 attacks. There are plenty of legitimate things to attack Obama and congress on, including renewing the Patriot act, war involvement, guatanamo bay and other fuckups but you’d have better chances proving that he was involved in Sandy Hook shootings than bills signed by other presidents. Programs are always there…OBAMAs directives just advertises it to everyone… I got my application in the mail. By advertising and pushing it, those without dire need will now use it…where in the past, those with dire need often found a way. Look how many more people are on food stamps today than 4 years ago. One reason is that it was made easy, and advertised. I DO believe it is an obligation to help those truly in need…which is probably a small percentage of those receiving checks/stamps/phones today. ---
**Author:** ![GenPatton](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/genpatton/32/6760_2.png) [@GenPatton](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GenPatton)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/49 "2013-01-05T13:31:06Z")
> [@FS: 2002 SV650S](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-2002-sv650s/51354/9): > > Well it’s our own fault for not being rich really. The country was found for rich white men by rich white men. Everyone else is cannon fodder, wallstreet is FULL of insider trading crooks, the government is full of bribe taking dirt bags. What can one expect it was a country founded by thieves & Liars! Yeah I mean, I can’t really complain considering I’m making more at my new job than I ever was. I do feel for those who literally were living dollar to dollar to just get by and pay their bills. ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/50 "2013-01-05T13:38:05Z")
> [@I need a new bank](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-need-a-new-bank/51385/21): > > Yeah I mean, I can’t really complain considering I’m making more at my new job than I ever was. I do feel for those who literally were living dollar to dollar to just get by and pay their bills. You cant complain? ---
**Author:** ![GenPatton](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/genpatton/32/6760_2.png) [@GenPatton](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GenPatton)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/51 "2013-01-05T13:47:00Z")
> [@I'm a bartender and I need a job](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/im-a-bartender-and-i-need-a-job/51373/7): > > You cant complain? From where I was … to where I am … Nah:wow … Could I use the extra money? Absolutely! Who really can’t? Is it disappointing? Absolutely! Not my fault the system is messed up. But, not going to let myself lose sleep over it. (Dead end part-time) -\> (Full time State job) I know many people who’ve worked the system out of thousands of dollars, just because of silly nonsense to get around it all. People who **get paid** to go to College from Financial Aid, rather than pay anything at all throughout 2+ years of College because the system considers them “Poor”, and yet, they are better off than myself, while I’m stuck with $25,000 in student loans I’m paying. Doesn’t make ANY sense! But why stress about something that you’ll never have a say in? I don’t even like to think about how messed up this country is, and has been longggg before Obama, because it’s just one gigantic headache. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/52 "2013-01-05T14:10:39Z")
The fact that the number of minutes increased is most likely true, that’s hardly a sensational article headline. And yes the amount of food stamps recipients has shot up during Obama years, (record 30 million in 2008, to record 47 million or so in 2012) consequently the amount of people receiving Safelink phones, however the poverty level only changed slightly if I recall (Still ~15,000 a year) and neither did the fee charged by your phone company, so the payment is the same, it’s just the outrage over more users/abusers of the program. The problem however isn’t new and it’s not going anywhere regardless who’s in the office. Ads for food stamps have been around since 2004 > President Bush launched a recruitment campaign, which pushed average participation up by 63% during his eight years in office. The USDA began airing paid radio spots in 2004. > The dire need vs non dire need argument? Seriously? There were no abusers of housing and government assistance before 2009? Nothing happens without a reason and the classic saying is true: Follow the money. Easy answer is, politicians who support the program most likely get the vote. That’s easy. However who else profits from it and why would it be increasing so drastically this entire decade? I highly doubt bills pass just from the goodness of the Congress heart and concern for average citizen. This isn’t very surprising: > An investigation by the advocacy group [Eat Drink Politics](http://www.eatdrinkpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/FoodStampsFollowtheMoneySimon.pdf) found banks and businesses have reaped multi-million-dollar contracts from the government to administer food stamp programs at the state level. Yet, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), doesn’t make public how much profit the banks and other businesses earn by acting as government agents for the program. > One significant beneficiary of this contracting system is JPMorgan Chase, which has deals in 24 states to dispense SNAP benefits. > Wonder how interested Walmart is in this matter? > Walmart also has benefited from accepting SNAP benefits. In Oklahoma alone, the retailer received approximately $500 million in food stamp payments over a period of two years. > JP morgan again > **A record 43.6 million Americans are using food stamps. JPMorgan’s segment that makes food stamp debit cards made $5.47 billion in net revenue in 2010.** > The Safelink Trackphone thing is just a leecher program to an already existing expenditure. This is very easy. Cellphone provider company lobbied to make cellphones part of the existing government landline program to provide government provided repeat customers… slum lord of cellphones if you will. Sources: [http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/which-corporations-profit-from-food-stamps?news=844629](http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/which-corporations-profit-from-food-stamps?news=844629) [http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/food-stamps-jpmorgan-banking-industry-profit-misery](http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/food-stamps-jpmorgan-banking-industry-profit-misery) [http://now.msn.com/food-stamp-use-2012-is-at-record-high](http://now.msn.com/food-stamp-use-2012-is-at-record-high) > **[Americans' Food Stamp Use Nears All-Time High](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/25/AR2008112502553.html)** > > Follow 2008 Elections & Campaigns at washingtonpost.com. > **[Government wants more people on food stamps](https://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm)** > > The USDA is running a series of radio ads aimed at increasing enrollment in food stamps. This comes at a time when Republicans are looking to cut back the program. Regardless, even if understandably hate the idea of supporting these people (urbanites and white trash in high counts, and seniors and disabled in smaller counts), don’t you think it’s a small price to pay to keep them civil? What do you think these people (urbanites and white trash) do when they are poor/unhappy/aren’t supported and are hungy? Sit there quietly? No they will take by force what they can’t get for free. Result of that? Increase in your local crime, decrease in property value, increase in amount of cops, increase in amount of people in jail, who are also supported by your tax payer dollars in the end anyway. This isn’t a battle that can be “won” as long as politicians keep getting their votes and corporations keep getting their government money. Why would either one of the two change anything? $.02 Edit: Conclusion: If you really care - be outraged at all of the administrations and how poorly this shit show is run, not just the current one. ---
**Author:** ![sbardy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@sbardy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sbardy)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/53 "2013-01-05T15:19:58Z")
> [@beaver run 4-20-08](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/beaver-run-4-20-08/47742/16): > > lol. i own 2 domino’s. I draw a minumum salary and live off anything I can take under the table and an occasional bonus check when I need it. Sometimes I take a delivery shift and pocket the cash, still love delivering pizzas, no joke. Lol ok, you definitely don’t need a new job. Your doing it right. ---
**Author:** ![sbardy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@sbardy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sbardy)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/54 "2013-01-05T15:27:07Z")
> [@I need a new bank](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/i-need-a-new-bank/51385/20): > > Programs are always there…OBAMAs directives just advertises it to everyone… I got my application in the mail. By advertising and pushing it, those without dire need will now use it…where in the past, those with dire need often found a way. > Look how many more people are on food stamps today than 4 years ago. One reason is that it was made easy, and advertised. > > I DO believe it is an obligation to help those truly in need…which is probably a small percentage of those receiving checks/stamps/phones today. Agree totally. It’s way more advertised now it seems. Just left price chopper in westgate. I may have been the only guy in the place actually paying for my food… Also the only guy without a overflowing cart. Benefits are getting out of control, there’s no reason why people should get as much food as they are allowed to. ---
**Author:** ![Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/hang_your_cross/32/6381_2.png) [@Hang\_Your\_Cross](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hang_Your_Cross)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/55 "2013-01-05T15:33:56Z")
In the end, how does government benefit from providing services and support to people? ---
**Author:** ![Jammer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jammer/32/6349_2.png) [@Jammer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jammer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/56 "2013-01-06T18:07:59Z")
> [@Another new guy, WNY](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-new-guy-wny/51352/7): > > In the end, how does government benefit from providing services and support to people? Re-election ---
**Author:** ![greggotron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/greggotron/32/6571_2.png) [@greggotron](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/greggotron)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/57 "2013-01-06T18:19:53Z")
> [@letitroll's Evo buffed](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/letitrolls-evo-buffed/51390/5): > > Cell phones didn’t start till 08, hence “Obamaphone”. before the it was landline only. idk why anyone would need a cell ophone, landline phones work just fine. A cell phone is a luxury item, not a necessity. Failed logic. A landline isn’t a necessity and ends up costing more. > [@july 12th import car show Rochester NY](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/july-12th-import-car-show-rochester-ny/49905/29): > > Did not realize there are so members here that makes 400k+ a year…:rofl No shit. People need to pay attention. Taxes are a necessary part of life. You want roads, police, social programs, military, free school, all this shit costs money. USA pays far less in taxes and makes a hell if a lot more then most 1st world countries. We got it fucking made here. Complaining about this shit will get you no where. Want more money, make more money. ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/58 "2013-01-11T10:36:22Z")
got my first check today because i’m paid every 2 weeks. ss went up by 73 bucks ---
**Author:** ![GD3Skier](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gd3skier/32/6400_2.png) [@GD3Skier](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GD3Skier)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/59 "2013-01-11T10:46:53Z")
> [@Another new guy, WNY](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/another-new-guy-wny/51352/7): > > In the end, how does government benefit from providing services and support to people? The more and more people rely on them as a provider the more collateral they have to hang over everyone’s heads. Making it easier to get what they want. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914/60 "2013-01-11T11:23:29Z")
healthins went up slightly for us and with the extra tax, I am -$19 a check. I guess I have to drive 5mph slower to gain the 1MPG back and make up for the dif. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/everyone-enjoying-their-tax-hikes/265914.md?page=4)