# Explain this Type R bullshit **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [March 13, 2008, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028 "2008-03-13T07:23:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/21 "2008-03-13T07:48:14Z")
F&F helped the Supra not the Skyline as it appeared to be popular before that. That’s another discussion. Let’s talk Type R. Maybe I am missing something? ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/22 "2008-03-13T07:48:19Z")
It’s just the special sports model for the respective manufacturer, Nissan has the GT-R, Honda has Type-R, Toyota has the TRD models, BMW has ///M models, mercedes has AMG, etc etc… not a mystery here :rofl ---
**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/23 "2008-03-13T07:51:50Z")
It has 5 lugs instead of 4! It has to be baller… :bowdown They are cool cars and had crazy hp/liter for their time. I guess if you really like integras that would be the dream integra to get. ![http://www.sn95forums.com/forum/Smileys/default/dunno.gif](http://www.sn95forums.com/forum/Smileys/default/dunno.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/24 "2008-03-13T07:55:42Z")
> [@bennyfizzle](#): > > It’s just the special sports model for the respective manufacturer, Nissan has the GT-R, Honda has Type-R, Toyota has the TRD models, BMW has ///M models, mercedes has AMG, etc etc… > > not a mystery here :rofl Shush or I’ll paint ugly stripes on your car! ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/25 "2008-03-13T07:57:57Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Shush or I’ll paint ugly stripes on your car! Already done :rofl ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/26 "2008-03-13T08:00:59Z")
> [@K-20power](#): > > Already done :rofl :confused ---
**Author:** ![bennyfizzle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bennyfizzle/32/6291_2.png) [@bennyfizzle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bennyfizzle)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/27 "2008-03-13T08:02:06Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > Shush or I’ll paint ugly stripes on your car! could you un-paint them? that would be more helpful… ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/28 "2008-03-13T08:18:45Z")
The mystery about Type R’s are that Integras in general are very popular and have a very strong and immensely sized fan base, but Type R’s are few and expensive, but they are the “ultimate OEM” teggy. So everybody tries to immitate it or want it, as they seem they have “inferior” product, plus it does come with some “rare” honda features like a 5 lug. In your terms Shawn, if 3000gt came out with a limited run 1000 model 3000gt that had 100 more HP, OEM weight reducting by using CF products, and unique body panels, it would be famed by the 3000gt crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/29 "2008-03-13T08:29:10Z")
> [@Vovchandr](#): > > The mystery about Type R’s are that Integras in general are very popular and have a very strong and immensely sized fan base, but Type R’s are few and expensive, but they are the “ultimate OEM” teggy. > > So everybody tries to immitate it or want it, as they seem they have “inferior” product, plus it does come with some “rare” honda features like a 5 lug. > > In your terms Shawn, if 3000gt came out with a limited run 1000 model 3000gt that had 100 more HP, OEM weight reducting by using CF products, and unique body panels, it would be famed by the 3000gt crowd. Perhaps but the Spyder nor the 3/S MR are not that popular. The Type R had 100HP increase? ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/30 "2008-03-13T08:34:57Z")
No, IIRC they had the b18c5 which had 195 chp? Perhaps, to put it into perspective better, imagine if there were only two 3000 models, the base FWD non turbo, and the 3000gt, but the 3000gt had a very limited run, and most people had just the base 3000 model. A 3000gt then therefore would be rarely seen and very sought after. ---
**Author:** ![votblindub](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/votblindub/32/6280_2.png) [@votblindub](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/votblindub)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/31 "2008-03-13T08:35:10Z")
so…how about them AE86’s then? I dig em ---
**Author:** ![imported\_hybrdthry91](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/imported_hybrdthry91/32/6315_2.png) [@imported\_hybrdthry91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_hybrdthry91)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/32 "2008-03-13T08:41:17Z")
100hp was just an analogy but the type r does have more horsepower than any other model b series. im not a type r specialist but the type r chassis has a reinforced chassis and better braking and suspension components not offered on any other integra. the transmissions are stronger with thicker shafts and double syncros, and offer a limited slip differential. the intake manifold was larger the heads have a factory port and polish, performance valve job, hollow valves, and more aggresive cams, the crank although the same stroke as the gsr weighs more to reduce vibration at higher rpms. It offers a LOT more than any other model integra. They hold their value very very well as they are very sought after. for a production fwd car on a race track it doesnt get much better than an ITR. all those small items add up to make a huge difference, the type r is not just a better trim it is different in almost every way and pretty much all of it is performance related. for one model car it has a lot of time and technology invested into it. ---
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/33 "2008-03-13T08:44:39Z")
:+1 what Mike said. ---
**Author:** ![OsoiNA6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/osoina6/32/6301_2.png) [@OsoiNA6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OsoiNA6)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/34 "2008-03-13T10:11:07Z")
Primary reason: People tend to want things that they haven’t got, especially if they are extremely rare and hard to obtain. We all know about the explosion of Honda tuning here in the US in the mid 90s, largely attributable to the import drag racing phenomenon. Now, with the introduction of the first Integra Type R (ITR) here in the US, Honda finally gave the US public something that had been available in Japan since '96 (sans the Troo JDM one piece headlights from the home market, but alas that is another phenomenon for another day). At a production run of 500 units for 1998, the ITR was an extremely rare car. Plus, it was carried over from Japan without any watering down of the specification by the peanut counters at Acura/Honda. Later model years carried similarly limited production runs ensuring that owners would be few and far between. As for the Skyline GT-R, this car has an impressive racing history and has been Nissan’s flagship performance model for over 30 years. However, America got the Z in the 70s and it proved to be so popular that I’m sure the bean counters over at Nissan were hesitant to reintroduce the Skyline as a performance car over in the US. I mean, what was to prevent Nissan from doing that? There were no emissions or crash beams, etc back in the day. The early GT-Rs didn’t have turbos, I’m sure it would have been easy to swap the steering wheel over to the left and call it a day (I exaggerate but you get the point). But no, America got the Z, and Nissan has stuck with the Z as the flagship here. Side note to all those on the Silvia’s nutz (writer included): One main reason the US never got the SR20DET in the 240SXs- I’m sure Nissan’s product planners didn’t want a $15K car with performance that eclipsed that of the $30K Nissan Z (I’m talking about the Z32 version with VQ30DETT engine) that it was set to introduce in 1990. It wasn’t because it “didn’t meet emissions”. 240 owners, THAT’s why your car came with 2.4L truck based engine… Think about that. OK I digressed but here is my point. The GT-R was never brought over here. But thanks to all of Polyphony’s Gran Turismo racing games, Oscar nominees such as Fast & Frustrated, etc, young teens all over the country could now grow their first boner over the Skyline without even having to crack open a book or magazine. Nissan’s decision to make the GT-R a “world car” in around 2002 only added fuel to the fire, and the fact that it will be coming to North America completes the recipe for more fanboy mystique. ---
**Author:** ![Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mk4_30r_ban/32/6347_2.png) [@Mk4\_30R\_Ban](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mk4_30R_Ban)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/35 "2008-03-13T12:05:55Z")
> [@Mike](#): > > It has 5 lugs instead of 4! It has to be baller… :bowdown yes, and no… the first run of the ITR used a 4lug hub. dont remember specific year, but i believe it was the 1995-7 and the 98-2001 Type R were 5 lugs ---
**Author:** ![OsoiNA6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/osoina6/32/6301_2.png) [@OsoiNA6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OsoiNA6)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/36 "2008-03-13T12:18:27Z")
> [@Mk4 30R](#): > > yes, and no… the first run of the ITR used a 4lug hub. dont remember specific year, but i believe it was the 1995-7 and the 98-2001 Type R were 5 lugs I think you are right. The 1996-1997 Type R had 4 lug hubs. Therefore, from a troooo JDM standpoint, 4 lugs \> 5 lugs because that year of Type R never made it here. ---
**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/37 "2008-03-13T12:26:25Z")
> [@Shawn96VR-4](#): > > All I remember is the “wheels” identifying it! Yea I was just referring to his statement here…kinda sarcastically. ---
**Author:** ![slwrthnu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slwrthnu/32/6296_2.png) [@slwrthnu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slwrthnu)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/38 "2008-03-13T13:32:23Z")
gran turismo is why the skyline is popular, not the fast and furious movies. ---
**Author:** ![McBitchin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@McBitchin](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/McBitchin)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/39 "2008-03-13T13:36:48Z")
thats true before i started playing those games i didnt know what a skyline was, the movie definitly made it more popular but thats what all of them have done they all take one iconic import car and make it the main vehicle in the movie ie. supra, skyline, i dont remember what cars they had in tokyo drift other than the mustang or atleast i think it was a mustang its been a while since ive seen it ---
**Author:** ![Code\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@Code\_Blue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Code_Blue)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028/40 "2008-03-13T17:27:30Z")
better tuned suspension, bigger swaybars, bigger breaks, lighter car, alcantra interior, racier colors (yellow, championship white, nighthawk black pearl) bigger tires, more HP, higher reving engine. It was more of a track worthy integra from all of the other integras put out into production. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/explain-this-type-r-bullshit/236028.md?page=3)