# FBI crying about phone encryption a lot lately. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 20, 2014, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880 "2014-10-20T06:27:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/1 "2014-10-20T06:27:02Z")
Google/Apple announce they will be unable to decrypt phones. However this doesn’t stop the police from going after phone backups online, cell tower data, or call history via cell phone company. FBI start pulling out every card including “Think of the children” [https://www.yahoo.com/tech/fbi-director-warns-that-smartphone-encryption-will-come-100237542264.html](https://www.yahoo.com/tech/fbi-director-warns-that-smartphone-encryption-will-come-100237542264.html) > **[Why the FBI Director Is Wrong About Encryption](https://gizmodo.com/why-the-fbi-director-is-wrong-about-encryption-1648334901)** > > FBI Director James Comey gave a speech reiterating the FBI's nearly twenty-year-old talking points about why it wants to reduce the security in your devices, rather than help you increase it. Here's the Electronic Frontier Foundation's... > **[FBI Director: If Apple and Google Won't Decrypt Phones, We'll Force Them To](https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bmjyya/fbi-director-if-apple-and-google-wont-decrypt-phones-well-force-them-to)** > > The future is wonderful, the future is terrifying. If you’re familiar with the history of a lot of this the FBI made a big push for everyone to use encryption to prevent cyber crimes now they’re only interested in encryption schemes that they hold some sort of backdoor to :lol: ---
**Author:** ![HouseS2K](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/houses2k/32/100273_2.png) [@HouseS2K](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HouseS2K)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/2 "2014-10-20T06:38:58Z")
Damn…no more Jlaw nuudz LOL Sent from my iPhone 6 ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/3 "2014-10-20T06:50:41Z")
Big bro’s pussy hurts… Awww. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/4 "2014-10-20T06:53:15Z")
[quote=“HouseS2K,post:2,topic:270880"”] Damn…no more Jlaw nuudz LOL Sent from my iPhone 6 [/quote] Never fear that could still happen if the iCloud data isn’t encrypted you could recover it(have the password) ---
**Author:** ![HouseS2K](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/houses2k/32/100273_2.png) [@HouseS2K](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HouseS2K)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 6:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/5 "2014-10-20T06:55:44Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Never fear that could still happen if the iCloud data isn’t encrypted you could recover it(have the password) Didn’t Apple change their iCloud log in with like a 2 step log in process ie password and stupid user set question/ answer Sent from my iPhone 6 ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/6 "2014-10-20T07:06:21Z")
[quote=“HouseS2K,post:5,topic:270880"”] Didn’t Apple change their iCloud log in with like a 2 step log in process ie password and stupid user set question/ answer Sent from my iPhone 6 [/quote] User questions are really easy to figure out for famous people. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/7 "2014-10-20T07:34:09Z")
I’m curious what the police did before the majority of the population carried around constant tracking devices. My guess is 0 crimes were solved ---
**Author:** ![neonglh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neonglh/32/4951_2.png) [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/8 "2014-10-20T08:04:27Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > I’m curious what the police did before the majority of the population carried around constant tracking devices. > > My guess is 0 crimes were solved We talked about this before, crimes are still solved, but potentially not as fast. It’s fine for building a case on some petty drug dealer, but it certainly helps having a bigger arsenal when you are racing against the clock on an important case (kidnapping, missing person, etc…). The thing here is that the person can still be made to unlock their phone with an order from a judge, and be charged for not doing so, but that could still lead to people not complying. If you’re going to be charged, what’s another charge. I am personally against this decision. I think with an order from a judge, law enforcement should have access to evidence, and not rely on someone to give it to them. That removes the element of surprise. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 8:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/9 "2014-10-20T08:28:19Z")
> [@neonglh](#): > > We talked about this before, crimes are still solved, but potentially not as fast. It’s fine for building a case on some petty drug dealer, but it certainly helps having a bigger arsenal when you are racing against the clock on an important case (kidnapping, missing person, etc…). > > The thing here is that the person can still be made to unlock their phone with an order from a judge, and be charged for not doing so, but that could still lead to people not complying. If you’re going to be charged, what’s another charge. I am personally against this decision. I think with an order from a judge, law enforcement should have access to evidence, and not rely on someone to give it to them. That removes the element of surprise. It depends on the court right now I assume this will end up at the supreme court at some point. Police are widely taking advantage of technology when their users don’t have a full grasp of whats going on with the device. - - - Updated - - - I do enjoy this quote “_The next time a law enforcement official demands that Apple and Google put backdoors back into their products, remember what they’re really demanding: that everyone’s security be sacrificed in order to make their job marginally easier.”_ ---
**Author:** ![ProgRocker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/progrocker/32/5434_2.png) [@ProgRocker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ProgRocker)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/10 "2014-10-20T08:44:16Z")
[quote=“HouseS2K,post:5,topic:270880"”] Didn’t Apple change their iCloud log in with like a 2 step log in process ie password and stupid user set question/ answer Sent from my iPhone 6 [/quote] In the case of the iCloud newds scandal thing, apparently a user could setup two factor authentication. Then the “hacker” could setup iCloud on another machine with the user’s email and password and it would give full access. A.K.A. it wasn’t really two factor. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/11 "2014-10-20T09:33:22Z")
I got 99 problems but can’t seem to read my list…it’s encrypted. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/12 "2014-10-20T09:51:36Z")
The point that the FBI is at they’re pleading and attempting to get laws passed to mandate backdoor access into phones and other devices. It’s pretty entertaining the the US government bashes China for highly monitoring phones/internet and building backdoors into everything…now they want the same things here. And like I said before they can still get a warrant for iCloud data, Phone record metadata, and phone carrier data for location ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/13 "2014-10-20T10:08:29Z")
How does this work internationally? What If you’re device is from another country? It’s crap. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2014, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/14 "2014-10-20T10:11:47Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > How does this work internationally? What If you’re device is from another country? It’s crap. There are specific exportation laws about encryption. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/15 "2014-10-23T06:35:23Z")
Make sure to not use TouchID if you want your phone encrypted. There has been cases where you have been ok not decrypting a drive or unlocking a phone with a password and been ok but you can’t use the “I forgot my password” with the TouchID. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/16 "2014-10-23T06:39:07Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > Make sure to not use TouchID if you want your phone encrypted. There has been cases where you have been ok not decrypting a drive or unlocking a phone with a password and been ok but you can’t use the “I forgot my password” with the TouchID. Or as shit is going down, reboot your phone. On the first boot you have to enter the PIN, it won’t accept just the touchID. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fbi-crying-about-phone-encryption-a-lot-lately/270880/17 "2014-10-23T10:25:19Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Or as shit is going down, reboot your phone. On the first boot you have to enter the PIN, it won’t accept just the touchID. Anytime I have seen people have to decrypt or unlock, it is already in the hands of a law enforcement officer.